PapaVic Posted January 31, 2005 Share Posted January 31, 2005 Someone posted this on the VMC and I thought you all would like to see this. UK Indian Article on Indian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indian T Posted January 31, 2005 Share Posted January 31, 2005 HUH? :uhoh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest_ikonboard Posted January 31, 2005 Share Posted January 31, 2005 Indian has a, shall we say, strange past. Back in the late 1940's is when the solid ownership of the Indian trademark and copyright started to splinter. Without getting into the history of it, Indian Motorcycle Company of America (Gilroy) owned the rights to Indian in many places, but the UK is not one of them. Now it is the same for Indian Motorcycle International (Stellican). So this guy sells Indian's over there. He is importing them into the USA as the Dakota 4. There are quite a few threads on here about the Dakota 4. Aaron rode one when he was over there a year or so ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallRider Posted January 31, 2005 Share Posted January 31, 2005 What pisses me off is the inaccuracies or incompleteness of the article . . . don't they know about "fact checking"? For example, the statement about Indian stopiing production in '53, which is partially true - they seem to ignore the 12,000 or so Indians that were made in Gilroy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest_ikonboard Posted January 31, 2005 Share Posted January 31, 2005 Well, ... there is more then just Gilroy. "Indian" was building thru the 1980's. There were street bikes, dirt bikes and then the go carts. But Indian was selling product long after the Springfield plant shut it's doors in 1954. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indian T Posted February 1, 2005 Share Posted February 1, 2005 I read a small blurb about the "dakota" some time ago. I never thought that it would actually come to fruition. Aaron, how did it ride? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peterwinkle Posted February 1, 2005 Share Posted February 1, 2005 It may have the name, but the Dakota 4 still isn't a true Indian. :veryangry: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackhorse Posted February 1, 2005 Share Posted February 1, 2005 I thought it was a blast! I actually rode it right before I bought my Chief in early 2002. I had a buddy with me that rides BMWs. We were passing through to Central Asia and met Alan Forbes in London. He was very cool and let us ride a couple "Indian 4's" all through the city. Basically we did the tourist thing: London Bridge, Tower of London, Westminster Abby, Big Ben, etc. Only instead of a red double-decker bus, we had Alan as a tour guide- "Vroom, Vrooom, hey there's the palace, cool, Vrooom..." We rode the bikes for a good long time. My buddy immediately recognized the trans set up as BMW. The engine was giagantic. It had loads of torque and hauled ass. Of course Alan had some loud pipes installed. Because of the in-line engine and trans, when you were at a red light and reved the engine you could feel the side-to-side torque, sorta freaky. Overall, I really liked it and had a great time riding it. We stuck out like whores in church. Everyone else was riding scooters, rice, and an occasional Brit bike. When we roared down those cobblestone alleys, people were definitely turning their heads and jumping back. The only downsides were the brakes (drum, but he was going to start using disk), the price was a little steep, and I thought the frame should have been a little beefier. Of course, the bike is styled "pre-40" so no big fenders either. He was working hard to make the bikes EPA compliant, and planned to import to the Colonies soon. When I came home I couldn't resist the new Chief with "Indian" engine, and the rest as they say is history... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackhorse Posted February 1, 2005 Share Posted February 1, 2005 I'll add that Alan built his reputation by restoring pre-53 Indians, and is a true Indian fanatic. Evidently he does link into the Indian "legal rights" honestly. I also hung out at the Ace Cafe, there was a special on Two Wheel Tuesday that described the place recently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob2000Chief Posted February 1, 2005 Share Posted February 1, 2005 I wonder if Stellica is prepares for the legal battle? It looks like a clear tradesmark infringement lawsuit in the works if our new ownership is aware of this UK company. Anyone sent them a link/e-mail?? ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whadayawant Posted February 1, 2005 Share Posted February 1, 2005 I wonder if Stellica is prepares for the legal battle? It looks like a clear tradesmark infringement lawsuit in the works if our new ownership is aware of this UK company. Anyone sent them a link/e-mail?? ??? The Indian name is like an old scooter mama that we called ''Doorknob'', 'cause everybody had a turn. They all got some kind of licencing rights from long ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest_ikonboard Posted February 1, 2005 Share Posted February 1, 2005 I wonder if Stellica is prepares for the legal battle? It looks like a clear tradesmark infringement lawsuit in the works if our new ownership is aware of this UK company. Anyone sent them a link/e-mail?? ??? He owns the Trademark in the UK. There is no such thing as an international trademark, you have to apply country by country. The court secured the TM in quite a few countries back in 1998, but not in the UK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob2000Chief Posted February 1, 2005 Share Posted February 1, 2005 I would hate to see any turmoil over things like this. Just get Stellican up and running so I can see more beautiful Indians on the road. I would like to eventually see Harley sweat it a bit as Indian pulls a chunk of their total sales, but not to such an extent that indians loose their special and unique place and become a common bike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest_ikonboard Posted February 1, 2005 Share Posted February 1, 2005 I wonder if Stellica is prepares for the legal battle? It looks like a clear tradesmark infringement lawsuit in the works if our new ownership is aware of this UK company. Anyone sent them a link/e-mail?? ??? He owns the Trademark in the UK. There is no such thing as an international trademark, you have to apply country by country. The court secured the TM in quite a few countries back in 1998, but not in the UK. December 8, 1998 ... The decision also gives the company trademark rights in a number of other countries, including Australia, New Zealand, Japan, and Greece. IMCOA (Indian Motorcycle Company of America) affiliates have significant sales of Indian Motorcycle merchandise in Canada and Mexico, thus consolidating North American Indian Motorcycle rights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest_ikonboard Posted February 1, 2005 Share Posted February 1, 2005 ... and there are more. In Sweden you have the Viking / Indian motorcycle In Germany you have the Indian Bicycle Company who also makes a V8 Indian motorcycle. See picture below And they are making the Apache in Australia. There are a few more out there in addition to these. It would be great to see Indian Motorcycle International grow big enough to but these other guys and bring it all under one company. The Viking Foru looks to be pretty well done. And the Apache would be a great Sportster / Dual purpose bike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowboy Posted February 1, 2005 Share Posted February 1, 2005 A V8 Chief works for me ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jbasile Posted February 1, 2005 Share Posted February 1, 2005 ... and there are more. In Sweden you have the Viking / Indian motorcycle In Germany you have the Indian Bicycle Company who also makes a V8 Indian motorcycle. See picture below And they are making the Apache in Australia. There are a few more out there in addition to these. It would be great to see Indian Motorcycle International grow big enough to but these other guys and bring it all under one company. The Viking Foru looks to be pretty well done. And the Apache would be a great Sportster / Dual purpose bike. Well I'll be freakin Damned. I had no idea of these ventures. Interesting, and thanx for posting that. Very cool and very new to an uninformed Victory rider. Yeah, that would be me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memfuss Chief Posted February 1, 2005 Share Posted February 1, 2005 The Dakota and the Viking are the same bikes...frames, engines,forks,tanks...only difference looks to be the fenders and horn location. I got the HOTS for the Dakota at Bike Week two years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charger Posted February 2, 2005 Share Posted February 2, 2005 It may have the name, but the Dakota 4 still isn't a true Indian. :veryangry: I came close ta buy'n 1 in 02,......that's a VOLVO engine I beleive ...the drum brakes turned me off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indian T Posted February 2, 2005 Share Posted February 2, 2005 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peterwinkle Posted February 2, 2005 Share Posted February 2, 2005 no drum brakes for me either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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