Guest_ikonboard Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 At least three killed as relentless storm pounds Southern California By MICHAEL R. BLOOD Associated Press Writer Heavy rain and snow pounded Southern California Sunday after nearly 200 motorists were rescued from snowbound roads and rivers flooded under the onslaught of a rare storm generated by tropical southern moisture. The wet weather was blamed for widespread power outages and at least four deaths, including two people killed in a car accident along a rain-slicked freeway in Los Angeles County, a man washed away by a swollen river near Ventura County's Ojai area and a homeless man by a collapsing hillside. Residents of a mobile home park in Santa Clarita were evacuated to a local high school Sunday after a 5-foot wall of water from Newhall Creek breached a retaining wall. Authorities weren't immediately sure how many people were evacuated. "An 8-foot masonry wall that was protecting the structures gave way and water is rushing into all the houses," said Inspector John Mancha. In Studio City, a father and his two children were pulled from the rubble after their two-story, single family home collapsed, authorities said. The man had minor injuries. "We have a complete structural collapse of a two-story home," said Brian Humphrey, Los Angeles Fire Department spokesman. Up to 6 inches of rainfall was expected Sunday while at least 2 feet of snow was forecast in Southern California mountains at elevations above 7,000 feet. Some areas in California expected weekend totals of 8 feet of powder. Flash flood warnings were issued throughout the region, and authorities kept close eye on foothill neighborhoods below the San Bernardino Mountains where slopes charred bare by wildfires were especially prone to mudslides. It was the latest in a chain of storms generated after a cold low pressure system off Oregon's coast collided with a plume of moisture from the southern Pacific known as a "Pineapple Express," said forecaster Ted Mackechnie of the National Weather Service. "These are pretty rare events and when they hit, they hit hard," Mackechnie said. "It's very dangerous." Since the storm's start Friday, valleys and coastal sections throughout the region got at least 2-3 inches of rain and mountain areas received up to 15 inches, forecasters said. On Saturday, snow up to 4 feet deep left motorists stranded along a 5-mile stretch of Highway 18 between the Snow Valley ski resort and the Big Bear dam in the mountains about 90 miles east of Los Angeles. Rescue crews used tracked vehicles to pick up motorists and take them to drier locations. Just to the southwest of Highway 18, a rockslide forced the closure of Highway 330, a 15-mile stretch that leads to Lake Arrowhead. Landslides also closed Route 154 in Santa Barbara County. A mudslide also closed a section of road in the Hollywood Hills early Sunday. No serious injuries were reported, officials said. Others got swept away by bulging arroyos and creeks on Saturday. In Southern California, firefighters responded early Sunday to a collapsed hillside that crushed one homeless man and injured another. In another incident, a rescue team including 40 firefighters plucked an unidentified woman from the Alhambra wash, officials said. In Los Angeles County's Saugus area, a couple attempting to ford a gushing river in a pickup truck got stuck until fire crews rescued them using bulldozer. A 20-year-old man, whose identity was not immediately released, died after he was carried off by the swift-moving Matilija River in Ventura County around 7 p.m., said sheriff's Capt. Brent Kerr. Search-and-rescue teams found his body three hours later. He had a rope tied around him when he tried to cross. In Glendale, a fiery crash on the Ventura Freeway killed two people, authorities said. A disabled 2002 Ford Mustang was rear-ended by a 1991 Honda that burst into flames, killing its male driver. The driver of the Mustang, a 32-year-old Glendale woman, also died. A steady stream of winter lashings have hit the state since Dec. 27, pushing rainfall totals throughout California far above normal. A relatively dry Sunday was forecast for the San Francisco Bay area, but another major front was expected to push through the area late Monday, bringing more heavy rain and snow to higher elevations before moving out of the area Wednesday. San Francisco already has received 169 percent of its normal rainfall since July 1, with 15.52 inches as of Saturday, compared with a 30-year average of 9.18 inches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest_ikonboard Posted January 9, 2005 Author Share Posted January 9, 2005 This happened right down the road from Maldev. Two people rescued from collapsed house in Hollywood LOS ANGELES Two people have been pulled from the rubble of a collapsed house in Hollywood. A fire department spokesman says the two are alive, but there's no word on their condition. Rescue workers are combing through the remains of the two-story home in the 29-hundred block of Laurel Canyon Boulevard to determine whether anyone else was inside when it collapsed. Authorities say it's too soon to tell whether the collapse is related to the rain storms. He is blocked in from a house that fell down on one side to a mudslide on the other. Power lines are also down and his cell phone is almost dead (Do not call him, need to save what battery is left) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motorscooter Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 thanks l.r . son needs to get back to base in lemoore, leaving monday any one no what techachapi is like ,did they get snow up that far.trying to get him around l.a. area bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest_ikonboard Posted January 9, 2005 Author Share Posted January 9, 2005 thanks l.r . son needs to get back to base in lemoore, leaving monday any one no what techachapi is like ,did they get snow up that far.trying to get him around l.a. area bob Wouldn't he just go 40 - 58 - 99 or something like that to head back? No need to go thru LA is there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motorscooter Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 ??? yea thats the way i want to send him. he came 5-10 to get here thought it was faster.just wanted to make sure techachapi wasn,t sonwed in, i no they get it up there at times bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest_ikonboard Posted January 9, 2005 Author Share Posted January 9, 2005 Long Beach Press Telegram Two people found frozen in car By Kristopher Hanson Staff writer Friday, January 07, 2005 - The latest drencher to hit the Southland contributed to numerous traffic accidents, freeway gridlock, sporadic street flooding and high surf on Friday. It was the first of three storms expected to hit the Southland over the weekend. "It's a dual disaster," said meteorologist Stuart Seto of the National Weather Service. "They're going to work together to increase the rainfall amounts. We got a lot more rain coming." In Seal Beach, a high tide of 6.7 feet is expected at 6:44 a.m. today, at the same time that "we anticipate a 6-to 12-foot storm swell," said Seal Beach police Sgt. Rick Ransdell. "We're all holding our breath." In addition to rainfall across the Los Angeles Basin, the new storms are expected to dump as much as 4 feet of snow in the San Bernardino Mountains and 7 feet in the Eastern Sierra. With snow forecast at elevations as low as 3,500 feet locally, the California Highway Patrol warned of likely closures along Interstate 5 through the Grapevine. Wind, high surf and winter storm advisories are expected to remain in effect through today in Los Angeles and Orange counties. The storm wreaked havoc across the state, where choppy seas may have contributed to a boating death in Central California and two women were found frozen inside their snow-covered car near Mammoth Lakes. In Central California, one person died and a second was rescued after a 34-foot sailboat was caught in heavy seas and 50-knot winds off the central coast town of Cambria. In the Eastern Sierra, Mono County authorities were investigating the deaths of two Mammoth Lakes resort workers who were found in their snow-covered car Thursday morning after a night of freezing weather. More than 1.2 inches of rain fell in the Long Beach area by nightfall, bringing the seasonal total to more than 12 inches nearly the annual average. Rainfall is measured from July 1 to June 30. Although potential flooding had been anticipated in low-lying coastal areas such as Seal Beach, Sunset Beach and the Peninsula in Long Beach, those areas were spared after the storm failed to hit shore before the 5 a.m. high tide. Still, those areas remain susceptible to flooding throughout the weekend as more rain and wind hit Southern California from the west and high tides continue to build through Tuesday. "We didn't get the storm wells that we had anticipated along with the high tide (Friday), which was what we were concerned about," Sgt. Ransdell said. A sand berm of 10-12 feet stands between the ocean and some 40 homes at the south side of the Seal Beach Pier. The homes are some 60 feet behind the berm, Ransdell said. Similar measures have been taken along the Peninsula in Long Beach, where city crews created seven-foot sand berms protecting dozens of oceanfront homes. Elsewhere in Long Beach, minor flooding was reported at Cal State Long Beach during heavy downpours early in the day, and Sixth Street and Orange Avenue was closed for a bit after more than a foot of rain accumulated in and around the intersection. There were also reports of roadway flooding at Bellflower Boulevard and 27th Street, and near 37th Street and Atlantic Avenue. Rain forced the weekend closure of El Dorado Nature Center in East Long Beach after trails became little more than mud. The nature preserve will be closed until at least Tuesday, possibly longer. Throughout the city, there were reports of trees and tree limbs falling on roadways and vehicles. A tree fell on a house in the 3700 block of Falcon Avenue, causing moderate damage. Elsewhere in the state, rain shorted power circuits and sent trees crashing onto lines. Power was at least briefly interrupted to more than 79,500 customers of Pacific Gas & Electric, which covers a huge area from Bakersfield in Central California north to the Oregon border, but about 60 percent had electricity restored by noon, a spokeswoman said. Southern California Edison reported 24,000 customers with outages and about 3,000 were in the dark in North Hollywood, Westwood and Hyde Park areas of Los Angeles. In East Los Angeles, a mudslide from a hill behind a cable television business buried four vans halfway to their wheel wells. No injuries were reported. Also in Los Angeles, the Southwest Museum of the American Indian said it would close through Jan. 23 to guard against storm damage. Rain has seeped into part of the museum in recent weeks and conservators were working to protect artifacts, said Yadhira De Leon of the Autry National Center, which operates the museum. Throughout the area, driving was treacherous as slick roadways and spots of standing water contributed to numerous accidents. One motorist escaped with minor injuries after his pickup truck flipped on its side around noon while entering the northbound Long Beach (710) Freeway from Seventh Street. He apparently lost control of the vehicle in a downpour. Several local freeways were jammed through most of the afternoon because of roadway flooding. The eastbound Century (105) Freeway at Studebaker Road in Downey was closed for more than an hour about 2:30 p.m. after nearly a foot of water developed across lanes. There was also a mudslide reported on the Santa Fe Avenue on-ramp to the eastbound Artesia (91) Freeway, and heavy flooding kept traffic slow on the southbound 710 connection to the eastbound 91. No injuries were reported with those incidents. The Grapevine stretch of Interstate 5 high in the Tehachapi Mountains north of Los Angeles was closed for a time because of snow and ice. The heavily traveled north-south route has been open only sporadically since a series of storms began descending on the region on Dec. 27. Drivers also were urged to use chains and caution on roads leading to Nevada, including Interstate 80 and Highway 50 two major arteries from Sacramento to Reno and Lake Tahoe. Some routes leading from Southern California north to ski resorts in the Mammoth Lakes area of the Eastern Sierra were pounded with snow. "Things are pretty crazy right now. Bishop's received quite a bit of snow, probably 8 inches … they're expecting about 7 feet of snow in Mammoth," California Highway Patrol Officer Jennifer Steel said. "We're just advising people to stay home," she said. -Staff writer Jason Kandel and The Associated Press contributed to this report. 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Guest_ikonboard Posted January 9, 2005 Author Share Posted January 9, 2005 ??? yea thats the way i want to send him. he came 5-10 to get here thought it was faster.just wanted to make sure techachapi wasn,t sonwed in, i no they get it up there at times bob Now that I look at a map I see why you asked the question. I do not head out that was much. When traveling in California and the Reno, Lake Tahoe area, try our toll free voice activated 800 service, 1-800-427-ROAD (7623). This service is available free from any touch tone phone, cellular phone or pay phone. All other areas outside of California you can dial 916-445-7623 to reach the same service. This Information system provides current information regarding the condition of the California State Highway System. The information provided covers incidents that cause significant delays to the normal flow of traffic such as, but not limited to, full closures, 1-way traffic controls, lane closures, construction, maintenance projects, and emergencies. The following conditions will NOT be found in these reports; normal commute traffic, ramp closures and traffic flow conditions. The information in each report is the latest information reported to the Highway Information Center. I think this will be your best bet for getting good info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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junior Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 The rain is sumthin but what about the Snow?...Unreal... Crews Rescue 180 From Cars in Calif. Snow By PAUL CHAVEZ LOS ANGELES (AP) - About 180 people, including some who spent more than 12 hours stuck in deep snow in the San Bernardino Mountains, were rescued Saturday as the latest in a series of storms struck California. The storms quickly moved eastward, closing all three major highways over the Sierra Nevada. Up to 10 feet was expected over the weekend at the Sierra's higher elevations, according to the National Weather Service. Snow piled up 3 to 4 feet deep along a 15-mile stretch of highway between the Snow Valley ski resort and Big Bear dam, said Tracey Martinez, a spokeswoman for the San Bernardino County fire department. Rescue crews used tracked vehicles to pick up the snowbound motorists in the mountains about 90 miles east of Los Angeles. Many of the vehicles remained abandoned while the roads were being cleared of snow. ``People were panicking and calling 911 on their cell phones,'' Martinez said. ``Most of them are elated to be out of there. But some continued on and said they were going skiing.'' No serious injuries were reported. Up to 15 inches of snow were reported in parts of Colorado's San Juan Mountains, as well, adding to the 19 inches dumped earlier this week by storms. The new snow delighted skiers, but made driving treacherous, with winds gusting near 60 mph on snowpacked, icy roads above 8,000 feet. In the East, heavy rain and snow that fell earlier in the week caused flooding along the Ohio River that was chasing some residents out of their homes in communities in West Virginia, Ohio, Indiana and Kentucky. Meteorologists predicted the river would reach its highest level in eight years at Louisville, Ky. The stormy weather had caused widespread outages in parts of Ohio, and utilities said about 100,000 homes and businesses remained without electricity on Saturday. Some neighborhoods below California's San Bernardino Mountains recorded more than a half-inch of rain every hour, and homeowners rushed to pile sandbags. ``I used to love the rain,'' said Dallas Branscone of San Bernardino County's Devore area. ``Now, I dread all these storms.'' Elsewhere in California, up to 4 1/2 feet of snow fell overnight in the Sierra Nevada around Lake Tahoe, ski areas reported Saturday. That came on top of as much as 9 feet of snow in the Sierra and 4 feet in Reno on Dec. 30. Interstate 80, which crosses the Sierra and links Sacramento, Calif., to the Reno-Tahoe, Nev., area, closed Saturday as did two other major Sierra highways - U.S. 50 over Echo Summit and Highway 88 over Carson Pass. The storm also delayed Amtrak passengers over the Sierra for up to eight hours and caused dozens of cancellations and delays at Reno-Tahoe International Airport. The wild weather knocked out power for thousands of homes and businesses and blocked mountain roads. One person died in a sailboat smashed by wind and waves, two resort workers in the Sierra were found dead in a snow-covered car and two other people were killed in a car accident on slippery roads in Glendale. Homeowners were especially concerned in San Bernardino County foothill towns that were devastated by wildfires and mudslides in 2003. ``You can only do so much,'' said Thom Master of Devore. ``If 2 feet of mud comes, these little sandbags aren't going to do much.'' In southern Colorado, avalanche warnings were issued Saturday for the San Juan and La Plata mountains. Slides were reported across U.S. 550 Saturday morning, but no one was trapped. Along the Ohio River, hundreds of Ohio and West Virginia residents had evacuated their homes and stacked sandbags. The river was nearly 4 feet above flood stage and still rising Saturday morning at Point Pleasant, W.Va., and was about 7 feet above flood stage but beginning to recede at Marietta, Ohio, the National Weather Service said. Downstream, it was expected to crest Tuesday at slightly more than 5 feet above at Cincinnati, the weather service said. Water was 2 to 4 feet deep Saturday in the streets of downtown Marietta, closing businesses. Louisville had already closed part of its River Road and installed two of its flood gates, and the Caesars Indiana riverboat casino in Harrison County, Ind., was shut down. The expected 28-foot crest at Louisville, 5 feet over flood stage, would be the highest since March 1997. In north-central Indiana, some 100,000 homes and businesses remained without power Saturday, three days after a paralyzing ice storm. Associated Press writer Martin Griffith contributed to this report from Reno, Nev. Junior!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest_ikonboard Posted January 9, 2005 Author Share Posted January 9, 2005 thanks for the # L.R.bob :wave: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiefin Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 Ya'll boys are takin a "FOC"in out yonder......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RCH Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 This happened right down the road from Maldev. Two people rescued from collapsed house in Hollywood LOS ANGELES Two people have been pulled from the rubble of a collapsed house in Hollywood. A fire department spokesman says the two are alive, but there's no word on their condition. Rescue workers are combing through the remains of the two-story home in the 29-hundred block of Laurel Canyon Boulevard to determine whether anyone else was inside when it collapsed. Authorities say it's too soon to tell whether the collapse is related to the rain storms. He is blocked in from a house that fell down on one side to a mudslide on the other. Power lines are also down and his cell phone is almost dead (Do not call him, need to save what battery is left) If you are in touch with Robert, let him know if there is anything I can do to help, let me know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest_ikonboard Posted January 9, 2005 Author Share Posted January 9, 2005 This happened right down the road from Maldev. Two people rescued from collapsed house in Hollywood LOS ANGELES Two people have been pulled from the rubble of a collapsed house in Hollywood. A fire department spokesman says the two are alive, but there's no word on their condition. Rescue workers are combing through the remains of the two-story home in the 29-hundred block of Laurel Canyon Boulevard to determine whether anyone else was inside when it collapsed. Authorities say it's too soon to tell whether the collapse is related to the rain storms. He is blocked in from a house that fell down on one side to a mudslide on the other. Power lines are also down and his cell phone is almost dead (Do not call him, need to save what battery is left) If you are in touch with Robert, let him know if there is anything I can do to help, let me know. I let him know before you offered!! I know you already :cppl1 I think they will be fine. They are at the top of the hill so nothing to fall on them and their house is pretty new and attached to the bedrock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maldev Posted January 10, 2005 Share Posted January 10, 2005 Thanks for the concern guys. We've just got our power back and phone lines at the same time. Well, one of the phone lines. Our main line is down, the secondary one for the net is open. Power is on and we're charging the cel phone and flashlights. Laurel Canyon just opened up. Mudslide on the Sunset side, house in the street on the canyon side. As fate would have it, it was a house that we had looked at before we bought this one. I've called Stellican to see if we can get a couple of Chris-Craft logos to put on the sides of the cars. Maldev's Hill O Death is officially closed. Police have it blocked off as it is impassible right now. We may or may not be able to get out in the morning. Thanks again for the concern. Looks like we are the lucky ones so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest_ikonboard Posted January 10, 2005 Author Share Posted January 10, 2005 Thanks for the concern guys. We've just got our power back and phone lines at the same time. Well, one of the phone lines. Our main line is down, the secondary one for the net is open. Power is on and we're charging the cel phone and flashlights. Laurel Canyon just opened up. Mudslide on the Sunset side, house in the street on the canyon side. As fate would have it, it was a house that we had looked at before we bought this one.I've called Stellican to see if we can get a couple of Chris-Craft logos to put on the sides of the cars. Maldev's Hill O Death is officially closed. Police have it blocked off as it is impassible right now. We may or may not be able to get out in the morning. Thanks again for the concern. Looks like we are the lucky ones so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maldev Posted January 10, 2005 Share Posted January 10, 2005 Have you tried out your new pool yet? I'll help install the diving board. And I got $10 that says Danny hurts himself on it first. And $20 that says FoosH hurts himself doing exactly the same thing Danny did to hurt himself after watching him do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RCH Posted January 10, 2005 Share Posted January 10, 2005 This happened right down the road from Maldev. Two people rescued from collapsed house in Hollywood LOS ANGELES Two people have been pulled from the rubble of a collapsed house in Hollywood. A fire department spokesman says the two are alive, but there's no word on their condition. Rescue workers are combing through the remains of the two-story home in the 29-hundred block of Laurel Canyon Boulevard to determine whether anyone else was inside when it collapsed. Authorities say it's too soon to tell whether the collapse is related to the rain storms. He is blocked in from a house that fell down on one side to a mudslide on the other. Power lines are also down and his cell phone is almost dead (Do not call him, need to save what battery is left) If you are in touch with Robert, let him know if there is anything I can do to help, let me know. I let him know before you offered!! I know you already :cppl1 I think they will be fine. They are at the top of the hill so nothing to fall on them and their house is pretty new and attached to the bedrock. Thanks Mike, much apreesh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RCH Posted January 10, 2005 Share Posted January 10, 2005 Thanks for the concern guys. We've just got our power back and phone lines at the same time. Well, one of the phone lines. Our main line is down, the secondary one for the net is open. Power is on and we're charging the cel phone and flashlights. Laurel Canyon just opened up. Mudslide on the Sunset side, house in the street on the canyon side. As fate would have it, it was a house that we had looked at before we bought this one.I've called Stellican to see if we can get a couple of Chris-Craft logos to put on the sides of the cars. Maldev's Hill O Death is officially closed. Police have it blocked off as it is impassible right now. We may or may not be able to get out in the morning. Thanks again for the concern. Looks like we are the lucky ones so far. Glad to here you are OK Robert. Are you needing anything? (except dry land!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest_ikonboard Posted January 10, 2005 Author Share Posted January 10, 2005 Have you tried out your new pool yet? I'll help install the diving board. And I got $10 that says Danny hurts himself on it first. And $20 that says FoosH hurts himself doing exactly the same thing Danny did to hurt himself after watching him do it. Well the deep end happens to be next to the Goat house so I guess we can bolt it on there :uhoh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fugdbdt Posted January 10, 2005 Share Posted January 10, 2005 This rain is hell. Took my spa an extra 5 minutes to hit 100 degrees... Thanks, Danny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest_ikonboard Posted January 10, 2005 Author Share Posted January 10, 2005 This rain is hell. Took my spa an extra 5 minutes to hit 100 degrees... Thanks, Danny Life is tough Danny! For some of us! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maldev Posted January 10, 2005 Share Posted January 10, 2005 Glad to here you are OK Robert. Are you needing anything? (except dry land!) A way to the office tomorrow. As it stands now, we haven't a way tog et out of the canyon. DOT is hoping they'll get the street cleared for the morning, but I see there's another storm coming so who knows. Thanks for the support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg D AZman Posted January 10, 2005 Share Posted January 10, 2005 This rain is hell. Took my spa an extra 5 minutes to hit 100 degrees... Thanks, Danny That's what happens when you put the Sweedish bikini team in BEFORE turning the spa on... And where the hell is Foosh???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarlicIndian Posted January 10, 2005 Share Posted January 10, 2005 Have you tried out your new pool yet? I'll help install the diving board. And I got $10 that says Danny hurts himself on it first. And $20 that says FoosH hurts himself doing exactly the same thing Danny did to hurt himself after watching him do it. Well the deep end happens to be next to the Goat house so I guess we can bolt it on there :uhoh: :uhoh: Did ya mean the Sheep House LR, then jump off the dive'in board to rinse off.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest_ikonboard Posted January 10, 2005 Author Share Posted January 10, 2005 Calif. mudslide kills one, damages homes By LAURA WIDES ASSOCIATED PRESS WRITER Jan 10, 2005 LOS ANGELES -- A huge mudslide crashed down on homes in a coastal hamlet of storm-battered Southern California on Monday, killing one person and damaging 15 to 20 homes, authorities said. A four-block area of homes in tiny La Conchita were affected, said Ventura County Fire Department spokesman Tom Kruschke. Numerous injuries were reported, he said. La Conchita is a slip of a town pressed between a highway and a towering coastal bluff northwest of Los Angeles. Several houses were damaged there during powerful storms in the 1990s. The hilllside cascaded down like a brown river as authorities were evacuating about 200 residents from near the unstable area. Trees and vegetation were carried away, leaving huge gashes of raw earth on the bluff. Search and rescue teams were dispatched to look for anyone who may have been buried. Southern California has been swamped by extremely heavy rainfall since last week, and 10 people have died in the state from the storm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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