9/11

[LittleDanielle]

As most of you have read. I posted the "Wig Out" from this past Friday.

 

After looking around on the internet I came across the "Wig Out" from the friday after 9/11.  

 

Read, and discuss.  9/14/01

 

No yowzas today. The events of this past week kinda put the yowzas out.  

 

They've also been compared to Pearl Harbor, and you know what that's not true. On that December day, clearly marked planes attacked a military target. It was a structured threat by a visible enemy. What happened on September 11th was NOT the act of a nation or a state or a religion it was the work of faceless demons emerging from the shadows and the targets here were civilians. Not just Americans but citizens of the world.  

 

Four hundred thirty businesses from twenty-six different countries were in those towers. Thirty-One Japanese firms, Eighteen Chinese firms, along with the citizens from Australia, Germany, Ireland, along with countless Americans, and the deed was done on American soil.  

 

Our world changed on Tuesday of this week. The Brits, and the Israelis, they've been living with this uneasy feeling we have right now for years; and every time they got blowed up the bleeding hearts here would say "Don't overreact. Learn to negotiate with these people". Well now this country KNOWS that listening to those voices was WRONG. It would be to appease madmen.  

 

These are not people to be reasoned with; or wonder what we may have done to piss them off, or deal with them in some legal manner like they were a criminal! This is WAR. Their only goal is to see us DEAD. They hate our way of life. They despise everything about our society. The Taliban regime in Afghanistan actually beats women that they find walking on the street. They imprison or shoot anyone that owns a TV set!  

 

These are 12th century minds in the 21st century and they believe with a burning fire, that anyone that does not think as they do has to be killed.  

 

 

Now before we go any further here let me make it very clear....ISLAM IS NOT OUR ENEMY.

 

 

I have actually read the Coran, and I had it taught to me by a Muslim because I was interested. In the Coran those that kill themselves don't end up going to Muslim heaven. So these guys aren't even following their own religion. THEY'RE CRAZY! So lay off the Muslims that are here in this country workin' hard and enjoying the freedom that this country has to offer all right? STOP IT!  

 

These enemies are MADMEN, and we've got to deal with them as such. They believe that making us bloody would make us fall; IT WILL NOT. That was a lesson that Japan was taught the last time anybody hit us this hard and brought us this much pain. We know that we cannot defeat irrational minds with words. When a dog goes rabid we KILL IT. We don't reason with it; and these people are RABID ANIMALS. They will be hunted down and made to pay for their crimes against the world.  

 

Who they are? We know! We know where they live; and we know who shelters them. But it's going to require courage, and there will be costs. We must be ready for this because it is a WAR. It's going to be long, and it is going to be a fight to the DEATH; because only a bullet can stop the hatred that is in their hearts. The ground has shifted. The lines are drawn. There is no middle ground anymore.  

 

We need to know RIGHT NOW: Are you our friend, and a friend of civilization? Or are you an enemy of civilized society? If you're not with us YOU ARE AGAINST US.  

 

The BASTARDS this week brought the madness to our shores; and now they will understand the wrath of a free society. If these TERRORIST BASTARDS had ever bothered to read history, they would have seen the words of Admiral Yamamoto, who was the man who designed the Pearl Harbor attack. He said I quote "I fear that all we have accomplished is to awaken a giant and make him very very angry."  

 

Well to Bin Laden and all of his followers, to the Taliban, to Sadam Hussein, to the militants in Iran, your assault on America did not confuse us. It did not break our spirit, and it did not cause us to cower in fear! You have underestimated us! America is now awake and we our righteous in our outrage and terrible in our force! We are ingenious. We are resourceful. We are the cowboys of planet earth mister and when the chips are down, we make sure the bad guys fall! The giant is awake and WE ARE PISSED!  

 

We will bear any burden, pay any costs, and go to any length to end your evil! Let me offer you one last historical perspective you towel headed, straggly beard, dress wearing, camel jockey, sand farmer, SON OF A BITCH! Just one word....HIRO-----SHIMA!  

 

Now at this point I normally ask for the piggin' out, porkin' out, and freakin' out but not today. Now, we need to take some time and consider our loss. You know every name you see on the news, or hear about, that's not a name that was a life. A life that was cut short by the disease of blind hate by people who did not share our civilized values. A life that is gone, simply because they showed up for work on time.  

 

Let's take the next two days and mourn our dead. And honor the brave men and women who are working to find survivors, and give thanks to God, Allah, Buddha, or whoever you think is holy that you are still here and able to touch your loved ones and share your life with them.  

 

Monday, we will begin a long hard struggle that is going to call for sacrifice and determination from every one of us. Use your time for these next two days to reflect on life, and find the determination for the justice that this barbaric act deserves.  

 

 

God bless you....and God Bless America.

[Guest_ikonboard]

ISLAM IS OUR ENEMY!

[LittleDanielle]

ISLAM IS OUR ENEMY!

I doubt you took anytime to read that entire post.

 

ReRead it, then bitch.

[badcad]

ISLAM IS OUR ENEMY!

I doubt you took anytime to read that entire post.

 

ReRead it, then bitch.

She has no clue! Muslims all over the world despise our way of life period! And all of them are just dynamite, ready to blow at any time. As for the "Modern Women" of our times yeah the Arab women are proud to be suide bombers and steal the same lives the muslims say are sacred bla bla bla. They all can become extremists at any given time. When you side with them I consider you one of them. You have no place here whatsoever. Please go to one of these countries and help them if you love them so much. But if your lucky you'll may make it out alive. WAKE UP! Oh and what about Louis Farakhan and HIS nation of Islam he took good care of Malcom X but thats another story you'll teach us about someday!!!             Stupid girl!!!!!

[LittleDanielle]

Not all muslims hate us.

 

There are plenty in this country who are greatful for the chances that they get in this country.

[badcad]

Not all muslims hate us.

 

There are plenty in this country who are greatful for the chances that they get in this country.

That is true! But I still think Osama (and his raghead posse) is "in the hizzouse"....... He's a Cab driver hiding out @ Philly International Airport or 69th Street, hes a good driver he gets away from me every time! And yes they are grateful. They learn how to fly airplanes here and fly them into our buldings!

[Guest_ikonboard]

Thats true , but they all want to make the rest of us obey there religious rights! Ever notice the commercials on TV dont say Merry Christmas anymore, it might offend anothers religion , it never offended the jews in this country , but it does the muslims .

 

Ya think they dont want to get "there Muslim " brothers and sisters involved in politics in our country , think again! Its called power . Start letting these assholes have more and more rights in our country and watch our rights go away!

 

Am I scared of the Muslims , you bet I am , because the Michael Moores in our country will have you believe they are all good people , they are not!

 

What ya think will happen if we abandon Iraq , and let what happens ,happen? Ever look at Iran , you wouldnt even be allowed on the computer , much less the internet as a woman! Do we want the spread of hate and discontent in the world ? Because that is what Islam is all about !

 

And the Nation of Islam (Badcad is right , thats another story) , its called the "Kill whitey" religion ! Malcom X  found out the truth when he went to Egypt and the great Elijah Muhammid and Louis FarraKhan took care of him "Mafia style" , and then blamed the white man for his death!

[badcad]

Thats true , but they all want to make the rest of us obey there religious rights! Ever notice the commercials on TV dont say Merry Christmas anymore, it might offend anothers religion , it never offended the jews in this country , but it does the muslims .

 

Ya think they dont want to get "there Muslim " brothers and sisters involved in politics in our country , think again! Its called power . Start letting these assholes have more and more rights in our country and watch our rights go away!

 

Am I scared of the Muslims , you bet I am , because the Michael Moores in our country will have you believe they are all good people , they are not!

 

What ya think will happen if we abandon Iraq , and let what happens ,happen? Ever look at Iran , you wouldnt even be allowed on the computer , much less the internet as a woman! Do we want the spread of hate and discontent in the world ? Because that is what Islam is all about !

 

And the Nation of Islam (Badcad is right , thats another story) , its called the "Kill whitey" religion ! Malcom X  found out the truth when he went to Egypt and the great Elijah Muhammid and Louis FarraKhan took care of him "Mafia style" , and then blamed the white man for his death!

Yeah LiTtLeDaNiElLe! How ya' like us now!!!! Beeeyaaatch.. This is exactly what Mr. Moore set out to do create a bunch of  HER KIND!!!  we need a smilie that snaps its fingers and head goes around on the shoulders..LOL

[Guest_ikonboard]

Most of you know I sleep too little and read too much. I do try to read from many sources, I do not only read from those with whom I agree. There is no learning involved in that situation and it becomes dreadfully boring. Preaching to the choir so to speak

 

I do not agree with this person 100% but it is a very interesting perspective and well thought out from a person on "the other side". This person is a professor of nuclear and high-energy physics at Quaid-e-Azam University, Islamabad, Pakistan.

 

Yep, it’s a bit long but very informative.

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Muslims and the West After September 11

by Pervez Hoodbhoy

 

America has exacted blood revenge for the twin towers. A million Afghans have fled U.S. bombs into the cold wastelands and face starvation. B-52s have blown the Taliban to bits and changed Mullah Omar's roar of defiance into a pitiful squeak for surrender. Usama bin Laden is on the run (he may be dead by the time this article reaches the reader). But even as the champagne pops in the White House, America remains fearful—for good reason.

Subsequent to September 11 we have all begun to live in a different, more dangerous world. Now is the time to ask why. Like clinical pathologists, we need to scientifically examine the sickness of human behavior that impelled terrorists to fly airliners filled with passengers into skyscrapers. We also need to understand why millions celebrated as others died. In the absence of such an understanding there remains only the medieval therapy of exorcism: for the strong to literally beat the devil out of the weak. Indeed, the Grand Exorcist, disdainful of international law and the growing nervousness of even its close allies, prepares a new hit list of other Muslim countries in need of therapy: Iraq, Somalia, and Libya. We shall kill at will is the message.

 

This will not work. Terrorism does not have a military solution. Soon—I fear perhaps very soon—there will be still stronger, more dramatic proof. In the modern age, technological possibilities to wreak enormous destruction are limitless. Anger, when intense enough, makes small stateless groups and even individuals extremely dangerous.

 

Anger is ubiquitous in the Islamic world today. Allow me to share a small personal experience. On September 12, 2001, I had a seminar scheduled at the department of physics in my university in Islamabad, part of a weekly seminar for physics students on topics outside of physics. Though traumatized by events, I could not cancel the seminar because sixty people had already arrived, so I said, "We will have our seminar today on a new subject: on yesterday's terrorist attacks." The response was negative. Some students mindlessly rejoiced in the attacks. One said, "You can't call this terrorism." Another said, "Are you only worried because it is Americans who have died?" It took two hours of sustained, impassioned, argumentation for me to convince my students that the brutal killing of ordinary people who had nothing to do with the policies of the United States was an atrocity. I suppose that millions of Muslim students the world over felt as mine did, but heard no counter arguments.

 

If the world is to be spared what future historians may call the "Century of Terror," we must chart a perilous course between the Scylla of American imperial arrogance and the Charybdis of Islamic religious fanaticism. Through these waters we must steer by a distant star towards a careful, reasoned, democratic, humanistic, and secular future. Else, shipwreck is certain.

 

Injured Innocence

"Why do they hate us?" asked George W. Bush. This rhetorical question betrays the pathetic ignorance of most Americans about the world around them. Moreover, its claim to injured innocence cannot withstand even the most cursory examination of U.S. history. For almost forty years, this "naiveté and self-righteousness" has been challenged most determinedly by Noam Chomsky. As early as 1967, he pointed that the idea that "our" motives are pure and "our" actions benign is "nothing new in American intellectual history—or, for that matter, in the general history of imperialist apologia."

 

Muslim leaders have mirrored America's claim and have asked the same question of the West. They have had little to say about September 11 that makes sense to people outside their communities. Although they speak endlessly on rules of personal hygiene and halal or haram, they cannot even tell us whether or not the suicide bombers violated Islamic laws. According to Dr. Taha Jabir Alalwani, chair of the Virginia-based (and largely Saudi-funded) Fiqh Council, "This kind of question needs a lot of research and we don't have that in our budget."

 

Fearful of backlash, most leaders of Muslim communities in the United States, Canada, and Europe have responded in predictable ways to the twin towers atrocity. They have proclaimed first that Islam is a religion of peace and second that Islam was hijacked by fanatics on the September 11. They are wrong on both counts.

 

First, Islam—like Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, or any other religion—is not about peace. Nor is it about war. Every religion is about absolute belief in its own superiority and its divine right to impose itself upon others. In medieval times, both the Crusades and the jihads were soaked in blood. Today, Christian fundamentalists attack abortion clinics in the United States and kill doctors; Muslim fundamentalists wage their sectarian wars against each other; Jewish settlers holding the Old Testament in one hand and Uzis in the other burn olive orchards and drive Palestinians off their ancestral land; Hindus in India demolish ancient mosques and burn down churches; Sri Lankan Buddhists slaughter Tamil separatists.

 

The second assertion is even further off the mark: even if Islam had in some metaphorical sense been hijacked, that event did not occur on September 11, 2001. It happened around the thirteenth century. Indeed, Islam has yet to recover from the trauma of those times.

 

A Dismal Present

Where do Muslims stand today? Note that I do not ask about Islam; Islam is an abstraction. Moulana Abdus Sattar Edhi and Mullah Omar are both followers of Islam, but the former is overdue for a Nobel Peace Prize while the other is a medieval, ignorant, cruel fiend. Edward Said, among others, has insistently pointed out that Islam carries very different meanings to different people. It is as heterogeneous as those who believe and practice it. There is no "true Islam." Therefore it only makes sense to speak of people who claim that faith.

 

Today Muslims number one billion, spread over forty-eight Muslim countries. None of these nations has yet evolved a stable democratic political system. In fact, all Muslim countries are dominated by self-serving corrupt elites who cynically advance their personal interests and steal resources from their people. No Muslim country has a viable educational system or a university of international stature.

 

Reason too has been waylaid. To take some examples from my own experience: You will seldom encounter a Muslim name as you flip through scientific journals, and, if you do, chances are that this person lives in the West. There are a few exceptions: Abdus Salam, together with Steven Weinberg and Sheldon Glashow, won the Nobel Prize for Physics in 1979 for the unification of the weak and electromagnetic forces. I got to know Salam reasonably well—we even wrote a book preface together. He was a remarkable man, terribly in love with his country and his religion. And yet he died deeply unhappy, scorned by his country and excommunicated from Islam by an act of the Pakistani parliament in 1974. Today the Ahmadi sect, to which Salam belonged, is considered heretical and harshly persecuted. (My next-door neighbor, also an Ahmadi, was shot in the neck and heart and died in my car as I drove him to the hospital. His only fault was to have been born in the wrong sect.)

 

Though genuine scientific achievement is rare in the contemporary Muslim world, pseudoscience is in generous supply. A former chairman of my department has calculated the speed of heaven: it is receding from the earth at one centimeter per second less than the speed of light. His ingenious method relies upon a verse in the Qur'an that says that worship on the night on which the Qur'an was revealed is worth a 1,000 nights of ordinary worship. He states that this amounts to a time-dilation factor of 1,000, which he plugs into a formula belonging to Einstein's theory of special relativity.

 

A more public example: one of two Pakistani nuclear engineers recently arrested on suspicion of passing nuclear secrets to the Taliban had earlier proposed to solve Pakistan's energy problems by harnessing the power of genies. The Qur'an says that God created man from clay, and angels and genies from fire; so this highly placed engineer proposed to capture the genies and extract their energy. (The reader may wish to read the rather acrimonious public correspondence between Sultan Bashiruddin Mahmood and myself in 1988 on this subject, reproduced in my book Islam and Science—Religious Orthodoxy and the Battle for Rationality, published in 1991.)

 

A Brilliant Past That Vanished

Today's sorry situation contrasts starkly with the Islam of yesteryear. Between the ninth and the thirteenth centuries—the Golden Age of Islam—the only people doing decent science, philosophy, or medicine were Muslims. For five straight centuries they alone kept the light of learning ablaze. Muslims not only preserved ancient learning, they also made substantial innovations and extensions. The loss of this tradition has proved tragic for Muslim peoples.

 

Science flourished in the Golden Age of Islam because there was within Islam a strong rationalist tradition, carried on by a group of Muslim thinkers known as the Mutazilites. This tradition stressed human free will, strongly opposing the predestinarians who taught that everything was foreordained and that humans have no option but to surrender everything to Allah. While the Mutazilites held political power, knowledge grew.

 

But in the twelfth century Muslim orthodoxy reawakened, spearheaded by the cleric Imam al-Ghazali. Al-Ghazali championed revelation over reason, predestination over free will. He refuted the possibility of relating cause to effect, teaching that man cannot know or predict what will happen; God alone can. He damned mathematics as against Islam, an intoxicant of the mind that weakened faith.

 

Islam choked in the vicelike grip of orthodoxy. No longer, as during the reign of the dynamic caliph al-Mamum and the great Haroon al-Rashid, would Muslim, Christian, and Jewish scholars gather and work together in the royal courts. It was the end of tolerance, intellect, and science in the Muslim world. The last great Muslim thinker, Abd-al Rahman ibn Khaldun, belonged to the fourteenth century.

 

Islam Under Imperialism

Meanwhile, the rest of the world moved on. The Renaissance brought an explosion of scientific inquiry in the West. This owed much to Arab translations and other Muslim contributions, but that fact would matter little. Mercantile capitalism and technological progress drove Western countries rapidly to colonize the Muslim world from Indonesia to Morocco. Always brutal, at times genocidal, it made clear, at least to a part of the Muslim elites, that they were paying a heavy price for not possessing the analytical tools of modern science and the social and political values of modern culture—their colonizers' real source of power.

 

Despite widespread resistance from the orthodox, the logic of modernity found nineteenth-century Muslim adherents. Modernizers such as Muhammad Abduh and Rashid Rida of Egypt, Sayyed Ahmad Khan of India, and Jamaluddin Afghani (who belonged everywhere) wished to adapt Islam to the times, to interpret the Qur'an in ways consistent with modern science, and to discard the Hadith (the traditions, or ways of the Prophet) in favor of the Qur'an. Others seized on the modern idea of the nation-state. It is crucial to note that not a single twentieth-century Muslim nationalist leader was a fundamentalist. Turkey's Kemal Ataturk, Algeria's Ahmed Ben Bella, Indonesia's Sukarno, Pakistan's Muhammad Ali Jinnah, Egypt's Gamal Abdel Nasser, and Iran's Muhammad Mosaddeq all sought to organize their societies on the basis of secular values.

 

However, like other anti-colonial nationalist currents across the third world, Muslim and Arab nationalism included the desire to control and use national resources for domestic benefit. Conflict with Western greed was inevitable. Imperial interests in Britain and later the United States feared independent nationalism. Anyone willing to collaborate was preferred, even ultraconservative Islamic regimes like that of Saudi Arabia. In time, as Cold War pressures rose, nationalism became intolerable. In 1953, Mosaddeq of Iran was overthrown in a Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) coup and replaced by Reza Shah Pahlavi. Britain targeted Nasser. Indonesia's Sukarno was replaced by Suharto after a bloody coup that left a million dead.

 

Pressed from without, corrupt and incompetent from within, secular governments proved unable to defend national interests or to deliver social justice. As they failed they left a vacuum which Islamic religious movements grew to fill. After the fall of the Shah, Iran underwent a bloody revolution under Ayatollah Khomeini. General Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq ruled Pakistan for eleven hideous years and strove to Islamize both state and society. In Sudan, an Islamic state arose under Jaafar al-Nimeiry; amputation of hands and limbs became common. Decades ago the Palestinian Liberation Organization (PLO) was the most powerful Palestinian organization, and largely secular; after its defeat in 1982 in Beirut, it was largely eclipsed by Hamas, a fundamentalist Muslim movement.

 

The lack of scruple and the pursuit of power by the United States combined fatally with this tide in the Muslim world in 1979 when the Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan. With Pakistan's Zia-ul-Haq as America's foremost ally, the CIA openly recruited Islamic holy warriors from Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, and Algeria. Radical Islam went into overdrive as its superpower ally and mentor funneled support to the mujahideen, whom Ronald Reagan feted on the lawn of White House, lavishly praising them as "brave freedom fighters challenging the Evil Empire."

 

After the Soviet Union collapsed, the United States walked away from an Afghanistan in shambles, its own mission accomplished. The Taliban emerged; Usama bin Laden and his Al Qaeda made Afghanistan their base. Other groups of holy warriors learned from the Afghan example and took up arms in their own countries.

 

At least until September 11, U.S. policymakers were unrepentant. A few years ago Zbigniew Brzezinski, Carter's U.S. national security adviser, was asked by the Paris weekly Nouvel Observateur whether in retrospect, given that "Islamic fundamentalism represents a world menace today," U.S. policy might have been mistaken. Brzezinski retorted: "What is most important to the history of the world? The Taliban or the collapse of the Soviet empire? Some stirred-up Muslims or the liberation of Central Europe and the end of the Cold War?"

 

But Brzezinski's "stirred up Muslims" wanted to change the world; and in this they were destined to succeed. With this we conclude our history primer for the seven hundred years until September 11, 2001.

 

Facing the Future

What should thoughtful people infer from this whole narrative? I think the inferences are several—and different for different protagonists.

 

For Muslims, it is time to stop wallowing in self-pity: Muslims are not helpless victims of conspiracies hatched by an all-powerful, malicious West. The fact is that the decline of Islamic greatness took place long before the age of mercantile imperialism. The causes were essentially internal. Therefore, Muslims must introspect and ask what went wrong.

 

Muslims must recognize that their societies are far larger, more diverse and complex than the small homogenous tribal culture that existed in Arabia 1,400 years ago. It is therefore time to renounce the idea that Islam can survive and prosper only in an Islamic state run according to Islamic Sharia law. Muslims need a secular and democratic state that respects religious freedom and human dignity, founded on the principle that power belongs to the people. This means confronting and rejecting the claim by orthodox Islamic scholars that in an Islamic state sovereignty does not belong to the people but, instead, to the vice-regents of Allah (Khilafat-al-Arz) or Islamic jurists (Vilayat-e-Faqih).

 

Muslims must not look towards the likes of bin Laden; such people have no real answer and can offer no real positive alternative. To glorify their terrorism is a hideous mistake—the unremitting slaughter of Shias, Christians, and Ahmadis in their places of worship in Pakistan, and of other minorities in other Muslim countries, is proof that all terrorism is not about the revolt of the dispossessed.

 

The United States, too, must confront bitter truths. It is a fact that the messages of George W. Bush and his ally Tony Blair fall flat, while those of Usama bin Laden, whether he lives or dies, resonate strongly across the Muslim world. Bin Laden's religious extremism turns off many Muslims, but they find his political message easy to relate to—stop the dispossession of the Palestinians, stop propping up corrupt and despotic regimes across the world just because they serve U.S. interests.

 

Americans will also have to accept that the United States is past the peak of its imperial power; the 1950s and '60s are gone for good. U.S. triumphalism and disdain for international law is creating enemies everywhere, not just among Muslims. Therefore, Americans must become less arrogant and more like other peoples of this world. While the United States will remain a superpower for some time to come, inevitably it will become less and less "super." There are compelling economic and military reasons for this. For example, China's economy is growing at 7 percent per year while the U.S. economy is in recession. India, too, is coming up very rapidly. In military terms, superiority in the air or in space is no longer enough to ensure security; in how many countries can U.S. citizens safely walk the streets today

 

Our collective survival lies in recognizing that religion is not the solution; neither is nationalism. Both are divisive, embedding within us false notions of superiority and arrogant pride that are difficult to erase. We have but one choice: the path of secular humanism, based upon the principles of logic and reason. This alone offers the hope of providing everybody on this globe with the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

[badcad]

This country has simpy become a repository for the rest of the worlds overflow and unfortunately the majority of these peoples do not have a bit of interest in becoming an American in any sense, its just a technicality they have to overcome to create thier mini-nations in all of our cities. They take full advantage of our countries offering both legaly and illegaly leaving us the disadvantaged. We the people haved caved in under being socially and politicaly correct. When comercials on TV are in Spanish thats the first sign of the fall of "The fall of the United States of America". Our Policies about those seeking to "invade" our shores need to be seriously rethought. The so called plight of political refugees and  influx of immigrants in general need to stop until things get back into our control and create certain prerequisets for entrance to this great nation! I dont know if it will be in my lifetime but there will be another "Civil War" in this country and there will be no more USA! Peoples coming here to the land of opportunity, regardless of the nation of origin are not of the caliber they were in the 40's and 50's after that its been a downhill battle. We have lost control of the nation we built. As I said they are not integrating into our society they are destroying it from the inside out. That is fact you are blind if you dont see it! Our founding fathers would might have rethought many things if they could peekind into the future, guaranteeing a USA that would survive much longer than it will! I dont know about many of you but when the time comes pick the right side people, Hitler, Atilla and Khan to name a few of many have nothing on badcad when the shit goes down! WAKE UP AMERICA you know who you are!