porkchop Posted December 28, 2004 Share Posted December 28, 2004 Powell: U.S. aid will be 'billions' He regrets 'stingy' remark from U.N. official The Associated Press Updated: 12:18 p.m. ET Dec. 28, 2004 WASHINGTON - Secretary of State Colin Powell said Tuesday the United States “will do more” to help the victims of a massive earthquake and tsunamis in Asia and said he regretted a statement by a United Nations official suggesting that it hadn’t helped enough. “The United States has given more aid in the last four years than any other nation or combination of nations in the world,” Powell said when asked about a suggestion by Jan Egeland, the U.N. humanitarian aid chief, that America was being “stingy.” Initially, the U.S. government pledged $15 million and dispatched disaster specialists to help the Asian nations devastated by the catastrophe that has claimed tens of thousands of lives. On Monday, President Bush sent letters of condolence and Powell exclaimed, “This is indeed an international tragedy, and we are going to do everything we can.” Appearing Tuesday on ABC’s “Good Morning America,” the secretary said that at least 11 Americans have died in the disaster and “hundreds” are unaccounted for. Powell chafed at statements that Egeland made at a Monday news conference, at which the humanitarian aid chief exhorted “rich” nations to do more. “We were more generous when we were less rich, many of the rich countries,” Egeland said. “And it is beyond me, why are we so stingy, really ... Even Christmas time should remind many Western countries at least how rich we have become.” 'We will do more' Asked about this on ABC, Powell said, “We will do more. I wish that comment hadn’t been made.” “We’ll make an assessment as the days go by, to see what more is needed of us,” he said. “It will take us awhile to make a careful assessment of what is needed ... to see what the specific needs are and then we will respond to those needs.” In an interview on NBC“s “Today” show Tuesday, Powell said that “clearly, the United States will be a major contributor to this international effort. And, yes, it will run into the billions of dollars.” From his ranch in Crawford, Texas on Monday, Bush had sent letters of condolence to the leaders of the seven countries wracked by the disaster. “This is a terrible tragedy,” White House spokesman Trent Duffy said. “There is a significant loss of life. And our thoughts and prayers are with all those who are suffering.” Powell made condolence telephone calls and offered American assistance to the foreign ministers of Thailand, the Maldives, Sri Lanka, India, Indonesia and Malaysia. American ambassadors released $100,000 each to India, Indonesia, the Maldives and Sri Lanka, and Powell said $4 million would be given to the Red Cross. U.S. government specialists in disaster relief were sent to Thailand and Indonesia, and others will be spread out through the region. Supplies of shelter, food and water cans kept in reserve in the Philippines and in Dubai will be distributed, according to Ed Fox, assistant administrator of the U.S. Agency for International Development. Millions of people who were displaced will need shelter, food and clothing, Fox added. The $15 million U.S. contribution was an initial one, he said, issued while surveys were conducted. The Australian government pledged $7.6 million in immediate aid. U.S. military's role A spokesman at U.S. Pacific Command in Hawaii said Monday that in addition to three Navy P-3 Orion surveillance planes sent to Thailand, the military also is loading five or six Air Force C-130 cargo planes with tents, clothing, food and other humanitarian goods for delivery to Thailand. Pacific Command also is assembling small assessment teams that will be dispatched to three countries in the region to assess how U.S. military resources can best be applied in those countries. Pacific Command spokesman Lt. Col. William Bigelow said he was not authorized to identify the three countries, but other government officials said they were Sri Lanka, Indonesia and Thailand. And James D. Wolfensohn, president of the World Bank, said bank teams were discussing potential assistance with the governments of the countries that suffered losses. On Sunday, the managing director of the International Monetary Fund, Rodrigo de Rato, said the Fund “stands ready to do its part to assist these nations with appropriate support in their time of need.” The U.S. Navy said it sent three P-3 surveillance aircraft from Kadena air base on the Japanese island of Okinawa to Utaphao, Thailand, to conduct survey operations, and possibly aid in search-and-rescue efforts. The Navy said it had no reports of damage to any of its ships or bases in the region. © 2004 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badcad Posted December 28, 2004 Share Posted December 28, 2004 Why do we waste our money and our efforts. These peoples (FTW) quickly forget where the aid comes from and shit on us anyway. The money needs to stay here and solve our own problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiefin Posted December 28, 2004 Share Posted December 28, 2004 Why do we waste our money and our efforts. These peoples (FTW) quickly forget where the aid comes from and shit on us anyway. The money needs to stay here and solve our own problems. NO SHIT! Charity begins at Home ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KC Cheef Posted December 29, 2004 Share Posted December 29, 2004 Why do we waste our money and our efforts. These peoples (FTW) quickly forget where the aid comes from and shit on us anyway. The money needs to stay here and solve our own problems. Badcad--that's a deep thought. Sometimes you surprise me. You pegged it!! BUT--how is Kofi Annan's family going to keep adding to the Swiss, and offshore bank accounts if we don't open our hearts and pocketbooks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leelynn Posted December 29, 2004 Share Posted December 29, 2004 let something like that happen here and see how many of those shit hole nations come running to help. KEEP IT HERE!! now thats not too hard to understand now is it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KC Cheef Posted December 29, 2004 Share Posted December 29, 2004 One thing I read yesterday, and did not realize. The figures you see posted on how much America donates to these disasters does NOT include individuals donations to Charitable organizations like the Red Cross. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stu Posted December 29, 2004 Share Posted December 29, 2004 Fuck em. We got problems here. It ain't so bad helping those that need the help but when you keep getting fucked for doing it's time to stop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whadayawant Posted December 29, 2004 Share Posted December 29, 2004 Now that the U.N. has ran out of the oil for food money to steal, they need a new source. When are we gonna shake those lice off ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest_ikonboard Posted December 29, 2004 Share Posted December 29, 2004 The thing that people are missing (of course, the people perpetrating the fraud know what they are doing) is that the countries that give the most (according to them) also tax the most. So it appears that they give the most. I would like to see a total amount given from the USA government (total in cash and relief aide; Boats, Air Support, People on the ground) and its citizenry (through charitable donations and volunteer work) and then we would see what the USA really gives. They seem to only want to count the funds given by a government. And does anyone really want to funnel the money through the UN? How much would make it to the people who need it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Last Indian Rider Posted December 30, 2004 Share Posted December 30, 2004 Dear Friend, We have been blessed and overwhelmed by your caring response to the urgent needs of children and families in Asia. Our latest report is that all US sponsored children are safe, although several sponsorship communities have been affected. We will continue to update you as we get more information. Because of the unprecedented volume of supporters to our Web site, you may have experienced delays when accessing our Web information or making a gift. We are sorry for any inconvenience this may have caused you, but encourage you to try our site again at www.worldvision.org/tsunami for updates on World Vision's response to the Asia tsunamis as well as to send your donations to children and families in need. Or, you may also call toll-free 888-56-CHILD (24453) to make a donation to World Vision's Asia Tsunami Response. Please pray for those affected by this disaster as well as for our staff who are working around the clock to help children and families hard hit by this tragedy. Thank you for your prayers and support. Richard Stearns President www.worldvision.org/tsunami If anyone is intrested in giving. I believe this is a good place to start. :charger: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest_ikonboard Posted December 30, 2004 Share Posted December 30, 2004 Agencies Accepting Aid Dollars Published: December 28, 2004 Following are some of the agencies accepting contributions for aid to people affected by the earthquake and tsunami in Asia. ACTION AGAINST HUNGER 247 West 37th Street, Suite 1201 New York, N.Y. 10018 212-967-7800 x108 www.actionagainsthunger.org AMERICAN JEWISH WORLD SERVICE 45 West 36th Street, 10th Floor New York, N.Y. 10018 800-889-7146 www.ajws.org AMERICAN JEWISH JOINT DISTRIBUTION COMMITTEE South Asia Tsunami Relief Box 321 847A Second Avenue New York, N.Y. 10017 212-687-6200 ext. 851 www.jdc.org AMERICAN FRIENDS SERVICE COMMITTEE AFSC Crisis Fund 1501 Cherry Street Philadelphia, Pa. 19102 888-588-2372 www.afsc.org AMERICAN RED CROSS International Response Fund P.O. Box 37243 Washington, D.C. 20013 800-HELP NOW www.redcross.org CARE 151 Ellis Street Atlanta, GA 30303 800-521-CARE www.care.org CATHOLIC RELIEF SERVICES Tsunami Emergency P.O. Box 17090 Baltimore, Md. 21203-7090 800-736-3467 www.catholicrelief.org DIRECT RELIEF INTERNATIONAL 27 South La Patera Lane Santa Barbara, Calif. 93117 805-964-4767 www.directrelief.org DOCTORS WITHOUT BORDERS P.O. Box 1856 Merrifield, Va. 22116-8056 888-392-0392 www.doctorswithoutborders.org EPISCOPAL RELIEF AND DEVELOPMENT Emergency Fund P. O. Box 12043 Newark, NJ 07101 800-334-7626 www.er-d.org INTERNATIONAL FEDERATION OF RED CROSS/RED CRESCENT www.ifrc.org INTERNATIONAL MEDICAL CORPS Earthquake/Tsunami Relief 1919 Santa Monica Boulevard, Suite 300 Santa Monica, Calif. 90404 800-481-4462 www.imcworldwide.org INTERNATIONAL ORTHODOX CHRISTIAN CHARITIES Asia Disaster Response P.O. Box 630225 Baltimore, MD 21263-0225 877-803-4622 www.iocc.org ISLAMIC RELIEF USA Southeast Asia Earthquake Emergency P.O. Box 6098 Burbank, Calif. 91510 888-479-4968 www.irw.org/asiaquake LUTHERAN WORLD RELIEF 700 Light Street Baltimore, Maryland 21230 800-LWR-LWR-2 www.lwr.org MERCY CORPS Southeast Asia Earthquake Response Dept. W P.O. Box 2669 Portland, Ore. 97208 800-852-2100 www.mercycorps.org NETWORK FOR GOOD Donate online www.networkforgood.org OPERATION USA 8320 Melrose Avenue, Suite 200 Los Angles, Calif. 90069 800-678-7255 www.opusa.org OXFAM AMERICA Donor Services Department 26 West Street Boston, MA 12111-1206 800-77-OXFAM www.oxfamamerica.org SAVE THE CHILDREN Asia Earthquake/Tidal Wave Relief Fund 54 Wilton Road Westport, Conn. 06880 800-728-3843 www.savethechildren.org UNICEF General Emergency Fund 333 E. 38th Street New York, NY 10016 800-4-UNICEF www.unicef.org WORLD FOOD PROGRAMME US Friends of the WFP PO Box 11856 Washington, D.C. 20008 www.wfp.org/donate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KC Cheef Posted December 30, 2004 Share Posted December 30, 2004 Hey--here's an idea. Why not have the U.S. match Norways contribution? Or match the donations, and support that came to the U.S. from all over the world after 9-11. Doesn't cost much to get up in front of the U.N. and OFFER support and help. Then turn away. Should save us Millions, and Millions of dollars. Should also teach that asswipe Viking MOFO to think before he opens his pie hole. That dipshit is sure squirming now. Misquoted? Pretty hard to use that excuse when you are on tape, and video. Jealous little dick who would like to be American? Or just an example of biting the hand that feeds the world? Yep--I can't wait to contribute my taxdollars to rebuild 5 star resorts for european vacationers! Let's send the money to feed them and clothe them for the short term to get them through. Then let the Europeans rebuild their little Island paradise. Damnit--I have compassion too--it would just be nice to at least be shown a little repect and appreciation for what America does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pop Posted December 30, 2004 Share Posted December 30, 2004 I gave. A hundred thousand and rising. There comes a time to stuff the bullshit and step up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KC Cheef Posted December 30, 2004 Share Posted December 30, 2004 Yep--you're right Pop. Lets get them what they need, and get them past the crisis. It sure sounds like someone over there better be looking into body disposal. That just sounds like a hell of a mess. Seems like by this time--visual ID is history. Maybe DNA--but 100,000 to choose from? I'm not even sure burial will be the answer to controlling disease. It still leaves me with a bad taste when I think of the thanks we'll get. My wife keeps telling me to be more Christian about it--but damn it anyway!! I guess compassion is not an action you expect reward, or recognition for but it should be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest_ikonboard Posted December 30, 2004 Share Posted December 30, 2004 Give , Give ,Give , BADCAd is right , fuck these assholes, most of those people wont recieve a lick of help . At the same time the nuclear program in Indian will get bigger off the donations! The terrorist countries like Malaysia and Indonesia will recieve huge grants for there killing machines ! On a regular basis (before the earthquake) , these assholes bathe , eat , shit , piss and drink from the same water, they dont believe in burying theyre dead , so they burn them and set them adrift (of course the water douses the flame ) and you got dead corpse floating around , now they just have twice as many corpse , but more than likely the same disease ! The only thing we need to be doing is monitoring the clean-up, for we do not want a "plague" to start that could kill us all! Ive been there , I cant imagine it looking any different from when I was there and now , then it was a cesspool of disease and unhealthy conditions , same thing now! Dont get the wrong conclusion from me , I love to help people , but in our entire history on the planet earth , can you name one country that aided Florida when the hurricanes ripped through the state killing thousands ,any countries help out when the earthquakes hit California , thats right , not one fucking country , not Canada , not Mexico (our neighbors) , none of them ,. They are quick to note that we are the "infidels" but never the "saviors" I SAY FUCK'EM and FEED'EM BEANS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
porkchop Posted December 30, 2004 Author Share Posted December 30, 2004 I SAY FUCK'EM and FEED'EM BEANS! FISH HEADS AND RICE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest_ikonboard Posted December 30, 2004 Share Posted December 30, 2004 You're Right I was thinking Mexicans! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiefin Posted December 30, 2004 Share Posted December 30, 2004 I SAY FUCK'EM and FEED'EM BEANS! FISH HEADS AND RICE! FISH HEADS AND RICE & BEANS............ ............................ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Last Indian Rider Posted December 31, 2004 Share Posted December 31, 2004 Yep!!!! But no matter what ya want to do, ya know what ya have to do!! And that is, help the ungrateful in spite of their accusations. Because, that is the right thing to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leelynn Posted December 31, 2004 Share Posted December 31, 2004 I quit giving to charitys when I pulled up at a stop lite and the car in front of me had childrens trust fund on the tag. it was a brand new mercedes with gold trim all over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badcad Posted December 31, 2004 Share Posted December 31, 2004 There are a lot of hungry people in this country! And I am not talking about the the scum driving escalades and drinkin 40's sellin thier foodstamps werin' FUBU and Timbalannds,sellin drugs while we feed them and thier wetback brothers in arms! You all Know who they are................. If any of you donate overseas instead of keeping it here, I say your a traitor and coward and I'll say it to your face any day! FTW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
335 Posted December 31, 2004 Share Posted December 31, 2004 ya know, it all go back to that discussion about god! see the shit you guys started , just his way of saying enought! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest_ikonboard Posted December 31, 2004 Share Posted December 31, 2004 Hey IndianChief , dont you know "we are the chosen people" ,everyone else wants to be us , but they cant be us , and since they cant be us they try to divide us ! Fuck them , Im with you BadCad (did I say I was with BadCad?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
335 Posted December 31, 2004 Share Posted December 31, 2004 Two years back, they bombed the night club,danced in the street,chanting death to all of us.so ,part of me tens to agree but anouther say,s it aint right! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest_ikonboard Posted January 2, 2005 Share Posted January 2, 2005 Article published Saturday, January 1, 2005 America's anything but stingy Jack Kelly ENVIRONMENTALISTS are under the curious delusion that nature is in imminent danger of being destroyed by us. The tsunami that struck the nations bordering on the Indian Ocean the day after Christmas should remind us that the truth is the other way around. Nature is majestic, and often beautiful (though there is little that is beautiful in a malarial swamp or in a landscape ravaged by molten lava from an erupting volcano). But the key thing to note about nature is that it is extremely powerful, and that - from our human perspective - nature frequently uses its power in capricious and cruel ways. An underwater earthquake created waves 30 feet and greater in height that smashed into coastal communities from Indonesia to the horn of Africa. The result was a human tragedy of unspeakable dimensions. At this writing, more than 135,000 people are known to have been killed by the tsunami, a figure which surely will rise. Several times that number have lost their homes and their livelihoods. The United States, as usual, is providing the lion's share of relief to the tsunami victims. The first major international help to arrive in Thailand came in nine U.S. Air Force C-130s laden with emergency supplies from Yokota Air Force Base in Japan. Two U.S. Navy battle groups are speeding to the region. This military assistance is not counted as part of the $35 million in aid the U.S. government has so far pledged, which is more than any other country. Total U.S. government aid eventually will exceed $1 billion, Secretary of State Colin Powell said. This didn't impress Jan Egelund, U.N. undersecretary general for humanitarian affairs and emergency relief. He said the United States and other rich nations were being "stingy." That angered President Bush, who pointed out that 40 percent of all emergency aid provided worldwide by governments to victims of natural disasters last year was provided by the United States. Mr. Egelund has backed off his charge, but it's been taken up by others, including the editorial board of the New York Times. The basis for it is that the United States devotes only 0.14 percent of gross domestic product to foreign aid, according to figures compiled by the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development. The Paris-based organization's figures do not include humanitarian assistance provided by the U.S. military, or U.S. food aid. But the OECD's big omission is private charity. As of Wednesday night, the American Red Cross had received $18 million in donations; Doctors without Borders, $4 million; CARE USA $3.5 million; Save the Children, $3 million; AmericaCares, $2 million; Oxfam America, $1.6 million, and Catholic Charities, $1.13 million. Private donations from Americans so far exceed contributions from any governments save our own, and dwarf private contributions from the rest of the world. Yet overpaid international bureaucrats like Mr. Egelund pay them no heed. "That fine gentleman from the United Nations was misguided and ill informed," said Dean Owen of World Vision, whose group has received $1 million in donations since the tsunami struck. "Americans have been incredibly generous." After the U.S. military, private charities provide the best means of getting help to the needy, fast. Government aid programs tend to be twisted by politics, bloated by bureaucracy, and riddled with corruption. Though lesser, these problems are not unknown to private groups, so donors should be careful in choosing the vehicle through which they seek to help. My wife is Jewish, but she insisted we make our contribution through the Salvation Army. Pam used to be an attorney for a prominent international children's relief organization, where she learned that very little of the money the group was raising actually was going to poor children. Many other well known charities also spend a good deal more on "overhead" such as pay and perks for their senior executives than they do on charitable work, she said. Only through religious groups - the Salvation Army in particular - can a donor expect to get much bang for his or her buck. The worst offender, by far, Pam says, is UNICEF. This makes Mr. Egelund's charge especially churlish. But what else should we expect from the organization that brought us the Iraq Oil for Food program scandal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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