willmarth2 Posted November 11, 2004 Share Posted November 11, 2004 They don't seem to be in any hurry to start a new plant. How much longer do they need to decide where the plant will be? I haven't heard anything in over a month. :veryangry: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KC Cheef Posted November 11, 2004 Share Posted November 11, 2004 Kind of starts to worry a person - Doesn't it? I'm just hoping they are taking their time to do it right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Posted November 11, 2004 Share Posted November 11, 2004 I hear strong rumours of parts being made in Canada as we speak for near-term production efforts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KC Cheef Posted November 11, 2004 Share Posted November 11, 2004 I hear strong rumours of parts being made in Canada as we speak for near-term production efforts. No problem!! Just tell them to get their ass's in gear-eh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lunchbox Posted November 11, 2004 Share Posted November 11, 2004 You guys need to take a deep breath and relax. It is so easy to push someone to put their money on the table when you have nothing at stake. And that was the problem with the last group. Yes, some of them had their money on the table but most of the money belonged to someone else. It’s real easy to play fast and free with someone else money. These guys are putting their money on the table; they already have several million into it without a dime in return. And that is without owning any tangible goods!!!! Damn right they are taking it slow. Before they ride over this puddle they want to be sure it is only an inch or two deep, not 10 feet where they will fall in and drowned. Things are going along fine and you will be very happy with the results. :cppl1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary2Wheels Posted November 11, 2004 Share Posted November 11, 2004 ....as a kid it took me a while to learn the wisdom of my old man's advice to "Do the job right the FIRST time...". Keep a cool tool fool!...we're ALL ridin' together here.. RIDE SAFE....LIVE LONG :wave: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KC Cheef Posted November 11, 2004 Share Posted November 11, 2004 Tee Shirts? :uhoh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuilderBoy Posted November 11, 2004 Share Posted November 11, 2004 You guys need to take a deep breath and relax. It is so easy to push someone to put their money on the table when you have nothing at stake. And that was the problem with the last group. Yes, some of them had their money on the table but most of the money belonged to someone else. It’s real easy to play fast and free with someone else money. These guys are putting their money on the table; they already have several million into it without a dime in return. And that is without owning any tangible goods!!!! Damn right they are taking it slow. Before they ride over this puddle they want to be sure it is only an inch or two deep, not 10 feet where they will fall in and drowned. Things are going along fine and you will be very happy with the results. :cppl1 You are correct! I think poeple are just getting anxious! I must say it was nice going into a shop that had bikes on the floor and parts on the shelf when I bought my a.... a ..... a.... Harley Battery (had to say those two words). Let's hope this venture is founded on better ground that leads to the longevity and complete support of the customer base and product line including ours! BB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pablo94 Posted November 11, 2004 Share Posted November 11, 2004 The latest info I received from them stated there will be an annoucement in 3 months. So figure Early February and we should hear something. This is based on information received from DW yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiremanDave Posted November 12, 2004 Share Posted November 12, 2004 Hey guys we waited longer for IMC to liquidate than we have so far for the new guys to get a feel for the Bidness.... I waited longer than this for IMC to fix the shit that was wrong on my scoot when I bought her, matter a fact I'm still waiting...LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badcad Posted November 12, 2004 Share Posted November 12, 2004 Who gives a shit. Do you think they will support any of the older moldels in any way and why should they? No serious money to be had. I dont know about most of you but I'm not selling mine to buy a new one or a second one. They will want to sell and support thier bikes, which is what they should do! I doubt there is any real interest for them in the very small community and headache that is the "current Indian owner". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aikenscout Posted November 12, 2004 Share Posted November 12, 2004 unfortunately, I think your right. If they were going to support existing Indians, they would be doing it right now. There are a ton of reasons to take time to manufacture NEW bikes, but we are here NOW. If support was coming, you would have heard something by now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest_ikonboard Posted November 12, 2004 Share Posted November 12, 2004 unfortunately, I think your right. If they were going to support existing Indians, they would be doing it right now. There are a ton of reasons to take time to manufacture NEW bikes, but we are here NOW. If support was coming, you would have heard something by now. I disagree for a few reasons. First, they do not have a dealer network set up yet. I know there are some Indian dealers from IMCOA still around but that is not all there is to setting up and supplying dealers. You have to have a staff that knows the what’s and where’s. IMCOA went with some low ball suppliers which is why some of our bikes have issues. Do you want them to just order and sell the same problem parts? I would think not. It is a lot of work to set up a local small business let alone an international automotive business. There are over 12,000 of us. Do you really think they are going to walk away from that market? Remember, they plan on starting off with about 1,000 bikes a year. So that would mean they are walking away from about 10 years worth of customers. Just sit back and relax, it will be here soon enough. Besides, we have ours!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KC Cheef Posted November 12, 2004 Share Posted November 12, 2004 OKAY LR--We'll try to listen to reason! BUT--you've been around most of us, and you have to know how hard it is for this bunch to be "reasonable"! That kind of goes against an Indian riders psyche (college word, but I partied out so don't get the wrong idea) DAMN IT MAN--we want something!! I'm going pessimistic again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaycox Posted November 12, 2004 Share Posted November 12, 2004 I dont care how long it takes as long as they will make a Chief that runs .............. Snicker Snicker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firebird77clone Posted November 12, 2004 Share Posted November 12, 2004 T-shirts hell... I wanna hotwheels 01 chief ! Black, of course ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris114 Posted November 12, 2004 Share Posted November 12, 2004 Go to Stellican's website, these guys obviously know what they are doing, weighing the options before they cement a plan. I wonder how long it took them to start producing boats after they acquired Chris Craft? They obviously do give a shit about us or David Wright would not have showed up at the Jackson Hole Saloon's Tipi during Biketoberfest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pablo94 Posted November 12, 2004 Share Posted November 12, 2004 So this topic got me to thinking about some things "motorcycle" for a change after all this political bullshit we have been talking about for the last few months. Stellican smart, savy, and educated men. Motorcycle men I am usure. We all know and most of us have a great knowledge of our Gilroy Indian and the demise of the factory. This makes us opinionated, not always right, and somewhat crazy in our passion for motorcycles. Right????? Right. I propose the following: We create a new topic on the forum. We call it Other Manufacturers or something like that. We create subtopics for all the other manufacturers as we move along. Within the topics we research the other bike makers. We look at their production numbers, profitability, size, market areas, dealer networks, quantity of OEM parts etc. As an example, BIGDOG out in Wichita, Indendence etc. I don't how much we can find or how much we might learn, but I think it would be a good exercise and great fun. Eventually we compile the data into some sort of virtual manufacturing model. LOL, I am getting out there now. Perhaps, Stelli is watching these boards, perhaps not. Perhaps it helps, perhaps not, but at a minimum it should spark some interest from the guys/gals that don't want to focus on the politics, but want to talk bikes, biking, and bikers. I know it interests me. Consensus??????? Hell, BADCAD might even support this one! Court Jesters love bikes too, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
engine joe Posted November 12, 2004 Share Posted November 12, 2004 MY 2 cents: Have to agree with BADCAT. First, dealer network? what network. Most of the dealers are out. You only have a handful now. Second, low ball suppliers? More like design error, don't you think? Sure there are some parts with faults, but all majore problems have been because of a bad design, not the parts suppliers. They, new owners, are in for the $$$. Nothing wrong with that, but they must first take care of themselfs. You and I, they could care less unless. They will only care if your are willing to put out the $cash$ for one of their bikes. As for parts for our now bikes, you might as well forget it. If they do decide to make parts for our bikes, it will only be because they are part of the new produtcs. And as far as making them available for us now, forget it C.B. But I do whish them the best, as long as they keep making them CHIEFs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuilderBoy Posted November 12, 2004 Share Posted November 12, 2004 I will give this example: I build and sell houses, I don't care if someone else built your last house, I want to build your next. It would even be better if I just bought out another builder that built your last house. I would already be more than half way there to win the sale of your next house if I support you, say in remodel work or just minor maintenance, wouldn't I? Especially if I do a good job on a small scale. A lot better a chance than if I have the attitude your money/past purchase means nothing and just go away so I can find a new customer? Why wouldn't I try to get a sale that has already been nurtured. I feel we are just like the mentioned home owner above. We already "bought" into the whole idea of an INDIAN. It would have been a lot easier buying a Harley or Metric, wouldn't it? Stelicon will be foolish to ignore us. Wouldn't you be less likely to buy a new Stelicon Indian if they did not support us? More likely if you have a great experience with their dealer network that supports the Gilroy Indians? I know this is not may last Indian, how about the rest of you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KC Cheef Posted November 12, 2004 Share Posted November 12, 2004 Man Last Resort-I'm hoping your right! 12,000 of us out there. Just doesn't seem like there would be any way a new company could start off by pissing us off. Word of mouth in the motorcycle world could make them, or break them. And I think we'd all agree on one thing--we're not shy about expressing our opinions. Yep-I'm thinking if they ever get it going again they best make us happy! Of course--I'm biased-I own one. I love it, and won't be trading up or in, and I can't afford another one, so Looking at the other side of the coin-why would Stellican give a shit about me? There's probably more people out there that can trade up, or afford to add so I guess Stellican could go either way. Just have them send me a Tee shirt, and I'll be happy! In a perfect world--and I'm looking at this jaded-I'd like to see them try to resolve some of the issues they inherited. If they are going to keep the PP-it might be worth their time to come back, and make ours right. It would cost them, but also might pay off in PR, and in creating heir own legend!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest_ikonboard Posted November 12, 2004 Share Posted November 12, 2004 It costs a hell of a lot more to get a new customer then to keep a customer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuilderBoy Posted November 12, 2004 Share Posted November 12, 2004 It costs a hell of a lot more to get a new customer then to keep a customer. Exactly! I just hope they have the business sense to understand this golden rule of doing business. BB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest_ikonboard Posted November 12, 2004 Share Posted November 12, 2004 It costs a hell of a lot more to get a new customer then to keep a customer. Exactly! I just hope they have the business sense to understand this golden rule of doing business. BB They do, "we" just do not understand. It is like what is going on in Iraq. People think things happen over night. Do they not remember how long we were in Japan and Germany for example? Oh, and just as in Iraq, Germany had hold outs that were attacking our men after the war. But back then we were not so PC in our response so they were taken care of very quickly.... sorry, drifting off topic. Anyway, they know what they are doing. That is why they are selling products and we are buying products. Everyone has their place in a capitalistic society, all one has to do is find it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stu Posted November 12, 2004 Share Posted November 12, 2004 Second, low ball suppliers? More like design error, don't you think? Sure there are some parts with faults, but all majore problems have been because of a bad design, not the parts suppliers. I think the problems with the PP100 were a mixture of design, QA, and low ball supplier problems. The oil pump was poorly designed and tested. The crank design was probably fine. The choice of suppliers was poor and when the crankpin taper was found to be incorrect it was ignored. These problems are now known and the solution is known. If you haven't changed the oil pump yet you should. If your motor still runs good that's great. But there's always the chance that it may fail. But that doesn't mean the chief needs a new motor. These fuckers rock when they're right. They run pretty damn good even when they're not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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