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Wow. Thanks for that Link Pete. If I could vote, I probly would have voted for him. Makes me wonder if this all will eventually smooth out after a rough beginning.

 

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This should come as no surprise to anyone . . . either HD moving some production overseas or Trump threatening a company he had so recently praised.

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First of all HD has experienced declining sales , this is mostly due to demographics, younger demos are not buying or riding big motorcycles.

 

Second, they have a 46% market share in Europe and already made a decision to manufacture bikes for that market in India to save costs

 

They also have a huge manufacturing facility in New Zealand that is mostly empty. They also made a decision earlier this year to closed a facility in Kansas

 

They are now whining about tariffs on bikes ( about $2500 per bike in Europe ) instead of passing the cost to the end consumer over seas they blame the President for trying to negotiate a massive trade imbalance , basically the actual costs to them aren't much different due the Indian manufacturing.

 

Also anyone that would like a clue on how the President negotiates, I recommmed reading " the art of the deal ".

 

The tariffs are nothing more than a negotiating tactic to be in a position of strength for new and better trade deals

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There was a time when tariffs/customs duties paid at ports of entry were what fed the federal government

 

Poll & property taxes fed the state governments & there was no income tax at any level at all.

 

Tariffs at this point are a tactic in the America First initiative.

 

GAFF & WTO agreements are about to get restructured.

 

Harley has it's own agenda & strategy ~ the white flag surrender monkey posture they have taken.

 

HD should have held firm, this is a fluid situation that will be resolved favorably to US workers & businesses.

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This is old news (posted yesterday). The Polaris Poland plant has been manufacturing Polaris ORVs since 2014. Scott Wine (CEO) discussed the topic of tariffs during a Polaris Webcast Analyst/Investor Meeting I watched last month.

 

https://www.bizjournals.com/twincities/news/2018/06/26/polaris-motorcycles-may-follow-harley-davidson-out.html?ana=yahoo&yptr=yahoo

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Read this one too, seemed more in depth:

 

https://www.bizjournals.com/twincities/news/2018/06/26/eu-motorcycle-tariff-aims-at-harley-but-hits.html

 

Guess they would 'choke & die' on American steel & aluminum instead of the imported metal they use now?

 

 

https://www.bizjournals.com/twincities/news/2018/06/26/polaris-motorcycles-may-follow-harley-davidson-out.html

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Polaris is talking about moving Indian as well.

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Pressure from stockholders motivates the hired guns to "do something!"

 

Panic in douchebag-city. :nod::rauch08:

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They will still build bikes in the states for the American market and build bikes overseas for those markets. Indian will end up doing the same. You will still be able to by an American made bike and frenchy will be able to by a European version of that bike. A snowmobile made by Bombardier in Canada is cheaper to buy in the states than here in Canada and American dealers cannot knowingly sell to us or risk loosing there dealership. Explain that to me.

 

 

 

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They will still build bikes in the states for the American market and build bikes overseas for those markets. Indian will end up doing the same. You will still be able to by an American made bike and frenchy will be able to by a European version of that bike. A snowmobile made by Bombardier in Canada is cheaper to buy in the states than here in Canada and American dealers cannot knowingly sell to us or risk loosing there dealership. Explain that to me.

 

 

 

Al

 

That would be due to socialism & ValueArtificiallyAdded taxes & such.

 

Send Castro's bastage to the corner & make Canada greater.

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That would be due to socialism & ValueArtificiallyAdded taxes & such.

 

Send Castro's bastage to the corner & make Canada greater.

 

were working on that.

 

 

 

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It's because you live in Northern Michigan and everything is a bit screwy up there.

 

They will still build bikes in the states for the American market and build bikes overseas for those markets. Indian will end up doing the same. You will still be able to by an American made bike and frenchy will be able to by a European version of that bike. A snowmobile made by Bombardier in Canada is cheaper to buy in the states than here in Canada and American dealers cannot knowingly sell to us or risk loosing there dealership. Explain that to me.

 

 

 

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In a recent statement from by Polaris, the manufacturer talks about the burdens placed on it by the recently hiked EU tariffs. It also announced the possibility of shifting its production from Iowa to a factory based in Poland.


The statement reads, “Polaris has been supportive of the Administration’s pro-growth agenda, such as tax and regulatory reform that promote a robust economy and global competitiveness for all US manufacturers. However, the escalating trade war has the potential to erase the benefits Polaris received and the recent EU retaliatory tariffs have required us to expend time, energy and resources to evaluate mitigation plans, including the possibility of moving production of the Indian motorcycles that are destined for Europe from Iowa to our facility in Poland.”


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They already have the Polish factory & are building ATVs & SideXSides there.

 

To duplicate all the machinery in the USA and install in Poland may not be cost effective

 

once the trade/tariff negotiations are concluded.

 

To call it a trade war is a flamboyant Hollywood Drama Queen misnomer.

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Polaris doesn't have employees per ce, they hire from a manpower type labor source.

 

Harley Employees on the other hand havbin mostly direct hires.

 

The idea of MAGA is to reinvest in manufacture & return those jobs to the USA.

 

The trade negotiations are required to establish a level playing field.

 

The Nafta, GATT & WTO regulations on the books now are the motivating factors

 

in the exodus of jobs out of the US.

 

Ross Perot's 1992 prediction of the gigantic WOOOSH came true with

 

those crappy trade agreements of the previous administrations.

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100% potato Vodka I could believe....... but not spring water.

 

 

me ride um centennial [MRUC]

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In other unrelated and not surprising news:

 

Elon Musk doesn't have a desk, has slept on the floor of his factories ...
www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-doesnt-have-office-desk-sleeps-on-factory-floor...
Feb 6, 2018 - Elon Musk says he doesn't have an office desk. ... Ask Elon Musk where his main office is, and he probably won't have a clear answer for you. That's because the CEO of Tesla and SpaceX makes his home base wherever his current problem is, Fortune reported.

 

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Back to subject.

 

 

 

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Polaris would build the bikes in North Korea if it would mean more $$. They aren't building them in Iowa now out of loyalty to the US. They are doing it for credibility and bottom line. Problem for them is...we have a President with balls now. He will see to it that it is not financially wise to move production elsewhere and ship the bikes back here. However, Indian is such a small blip on the radar screen it probably wouldn't get his attention much. HD is a different story. Indian needs to seize this opportunity make the bikes 100% American made and tout that fact. BE THE ONLY TRUE AMERICAN MADE MOTORCYCLE. Now that would sell motorcycles. Don't follow HD. Don't even try the "it will make the bikes too expensive" argument. That is just BS.

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^ Sounds like a reasonable idea to me. I'd say they should at least give it a try and start the appropriate advertising quickly so as not to lose this golden opportunity. However, The Mothership may have bigger "eggs to fry" such as, the ATV's, three wheelers, Skidoos, etc. etc. I'm not making any predictions on this "golden advertising" opportunity...yet. Over past 10 years my early predictions regarding demise of the other PII motorcycle brand came true.

 

 

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Polaris would build the bikes in North Korea if it would mean more $$. They aren't building them in Iowa now out of loyalty to the US. They are doing it for credibility and bottom line. Problem for them is...we have a President with balls now. He will see to it that it is not financially wise to move production elsewhere and ship the bikes back here. However, Indian is such a small blip on the radar screen it probably wouldn't get his attention much. HD is a different story. Indian needs to seize this opportunity make the bikes 100% American made and tout that fact. BE THE ONLY TRUE AMERICAN MADE MOTORCYCLE. Now that would sell motorcycles. Don't follow HD. Don't even try the "it will make the bikes too expensive" argument. That is just BS.

 

i like it but that is highly unlikely considering the make up of PII shareholders.

 

88% of PII is owned by 644 various investment institutions, check out the breakdown:

 

https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/PII/holders/

 

While the customer will dig the USA made label, management is not inclined to rock the boat.

 

Stability & exceptional future potential growth project the 'good risk' big picture image PII needs to maintain.

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IMHO. Soon as Indian experiences a year or two of lack luster sales, Grand Old Marque will be up for grabs again.

 

Arguably, an important piece of "longevity puzzle" missing from IMC is the co-founding family being a major [if not controlling] stock holder. It's one of the key pieces which I believe Brand X possesses.

 

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Might as well buy a pair of white shoes and retire to FLorida.

 

 

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In a world where you have to have a leg up on competition and your product is basically identical to the behometh in the business, you have the use any angle you can. Polaris found this out the hard way with Victory. Making a good bike is not enough. Made in USA would sell Indians.

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IMHO. Soon as Indian experiences a year or two of lack luster sales, Grand Old Marque will be up for grabs again.

 

Arguably, an important piece of "longevity puzzle" missing from IMC is the co-founding family being a major [if not controlling] stock holder. It's one of the key pieces which I believe Brand X possesses.

 

 

Might as well buy a pair of white shoes and retire to FLorida.

 

 

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