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New Reports Surface About President Bush's Military Service


Sep 9, 2004


President Bush's service in U.S. National Guard during the Vietnam War has once again surfaced as an issue in the race for the White House.


Former Texas House Speaker Ben Barnes revealed on CBS-TV's "60 Minutes" Wednesday that he used his influence to help Mr. Bush get into the Texas Air National Guard during the Vietnam War, ahead of hundreds of other young men on the list.


Other news reports say recently released records show the young Mr. Bush was even suspended from flight status for failure to perform to standards and failure to take his annual flight physical as ordered.


White House officials have dismissed these latest reports as partisan political attacks, but have not contested their authenticity.


In recent weeks, Democratic nominee John Kerry's service in Vietnam has come under attack in campaign ads.


The president will make two campaign stops in Pennsylvania Thursday, while Mr. Kerry campaigns in Louisiana, Iowa and Missouri.

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Bush Piloted Guard Trainers Before He Quit



WASHINGTON - George W. Bush began flying a two-seat training jet more frequently and twice required multiple attempts to land a one-seat fighter in the weeks just before he quit flying for the Texas Air National Guard in 1972, his pilot logs show.


The logs show Bush flew nine times in T-33 trainers in February and March 1972, including eight times in one week and four of those only as a co-pilot. Bush, then a first lieutenant, flew in T-33s only twice in the previous six months and three times in the year ending July 31, 1971.


The records also show Bush required two passes to land an F-102A fighter on March 12 and April 10, 1972. His last flight as an Air National Guard pilot was on April 16.


Meanwhile, questions were raised Thursday about the authenticity of newly unearthed memos purporting to have been written by one of Bush's commanders in 1972 and 1973. The memos, which were publicized by CBS News on its "60 Minutes" program, say Bush ignored a direct order from a superior officer and lost his status as a Guard pilot because he failed to meet military performance standards and undergo a required physical exam.


The network defended the memos, saying its experts who examined the memos concluded they were authentic documents produced by Lt. Col. Jerry Killian.


But Killian's son, one of Killian's fellow officers and an independent document examiner questioned the memos Gary Killian, who served in the Guard with his father and retired as a captain in 1991, said he doubted his father would have written an unsigned memo which said there was pressure to "sugar coat" Bush's performance review.


"It just wouldn't happen," he said. "No officer in his right mind would write a memo like that."


The personnel chief in Killian's unit at the time also said he believes the documents are fake.


"They looked to me like forgeries," said Rufus Martin. "I don't think Killian would do that, and I knew him for 17 years." Killian died in 1984.


Independent document examiner Sandra Ramsey Lines said the memos looked like they had been produced on a computer using Microsoft Word software. Lines, a document expert and fellow of the American Academy of Forensic Sciences, pointed to a superscript _ a smaller, raised "th" in "111th Fighter Interceptor Squadron" _ as evidence indicating forgery.


Microsoft Word automatically inserts superscripts in the same style as the two on the memos obtained by CBS, she said.


"I'm virtually certain these were computer generated," Lines said after reviewing copies of the documents at her office in Paradise Valley, Ariz. She produced a nearly identical document using her computer's Microsoft Word software.


The Defense Department released Bush's pilot logs this week under pressure from a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit by The Associated Press. The logs do not explain why Bush was flying T-33s or why he twice needed multiple approaches to make landings.


White House spokesman Trent Duffy said Thursday said he had no information on the reasons behind the multiple-approach landings or the surge in training-jet flights.


"He did his training and was honorably discharged," Duffy said.


Former Air National Guard officials contacted by the AP said there could be reasons for the trainer flights and multiple-approach landings which have nothing to do with Bush's pilot skills.


Bush could have flown T-33s so many times because his unit did not have enough F-102A jets available that week, for example, said retired Maj. Gen. Don Shepperd a former head of the Air National Guard. Another former Air National Guard chief, retired Maj. Gen. Paul A. Weaver, said he saw nothing unusual about Bush making more than one landing attempt.


"It doesn't mean anything to have multiple approaches," Weaver said.


Bush's Vietnam-era Air National Guard service became a focus of Democratic criticism this week amid a flurry of new reports about his activities. Democrats say Bush shirked his National Guard duties, a claim Bush denies.


Republican critics have accused Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry, a decorated Vietnam combat veteran, of fabricating the incidents which led to his five medals.


Bush joined the Texas Air National Guard in 1968, serving more than a year on active Air Force duty while being trained to fly F-102A jets. He was honorably discharged from the Guard in October 1973 and left the Air Force Reserves in May 1974.


The first four months of 1972 are at the beginning of a controversial period in Bush's Guard service. After taking his last flight in April 1972, Bush went for six months without showing up for any training drills. In September 1972 he received permission to transfer to an Alabama Guard unit so he could work on a political campaign there.


That May, Bush also skipped a required yearly medical examination. In response, his commanders grounded Bush on Aug. 1, 1972.


Bush's pilot logs showed regular training in the F-102A until Feb. 9, 1972, when he flew 1.4 hours as the pilot of a T-33. After seven more flights in the F-102A, Bush made eight more T-33 flights between March 9 and March 15, including the four as co-pilot.


He flew an F-102A on March 12 and eight more times in April 1972.

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Documents put renewed scrutiny on Bush's record


White House flip-flops twice on assertions that all Guard papers were released


September 10, 2004










of The Associated Press



WASHINGTON, D.C. - New documents unearthed in the midst of the presidential campaign fill in some blanks but raise other questions about the sometimes mysterious and spotty story of President Bush's military service during Vietnam when he won a coveted spot in the Texas Air National Guard and avoided going to war.


Reviving issues that have shadowed his political career, the documents show Bush ignored a direct order from a superior officer and lost his status as a Texas Air National Guard pilot more than three decades ago because he failed to meet military performance standards and undergo a required physical examination.


The disclosures marked the second time in days the White House had to backtrack from assertions that all of Bush's records had been released. It also raised the specter


that Bush sought favors from higher-ups and that the commander of the Texas Air National Guard wanted to "sugar coat" Bush's record after he was suspended from flying.


The documents turned the spotlight on Bush after weeks of political attacks questioning John Kerry's military service in Vietnam. Overshadowing issues such as jobs and the economy, those accustations hurt Kerry in polls.


Kerry, campaigning in Iowa, refused to talk Thursday about the new Bush documents. "That's for the White House to answer," he said in an Associated Press interview. Presidential spokesman Scott McClellan said, "I think you absolutely are seeing a coordinated attack by John Kerry and his surrogates on the president."


Yet, it was the White House - not Kerry's campaign - that distributed four memos from 1972 and 1973 from Lt. Col. Jerry Killian, now deceased, who was the commander of the 111th Fighter Interceptor Squadron in Houston where Bush served. The White House obtained the memos from CBS News, which said it was convinced of their authenticity, and the White House did not question their accuracy. There was no explanation why the Pentagon was unable to find the documents on its own.


The key questions about Bush's service are whether or where he trained in late 1972 and early 1973, why he skipped the required medical exam, and whether he was investigated or punished for skipping the exam and six months' worth of training in 1972.


Bush has adamantly denied that any strings were pulled to get him into the Guard. Yet, former Texas House Speaker Ben Barnes, a Democrat who now supports Kerry, has stepped forward to say he helped Bush and the sons of other wealthy families get into the Guard so they could avoid serving in Vietnam.


Bush completed basic training in August 1968, and by early 1970 was assigned as a pilot of F-102 interceptors in the 111th Squadron at Ellington Air Force Base. Killian, the squadron commander, ordered Bush in May, 1972, to undergo his annual physical, the new memos show.


Later in May, Killian said in his memo that he'd had conversations with Bush "of how Bush can get out of coming to drill from now through November" because Bush wanted to go to Alabama to work on a political campaign.


Killian wrote that they talked about Bush getting his flight physical and Bush said he would do it in Alabama if he remained in flight status. But he said Bush said he "may not have the time." The memo said Bush was "talking to someone upstairs" about the Alabama transfer.


The same memo also made clear that Killian was concerned about the fact that the military had spent a substantial amount of money training Bush to fly.


"I advised him of our investment in him and his commitment," he wrote.


On Aug. 1, 1972, Killian ordered that Bush "be suspended from flight status due to failure to perform to (United States Air Force/Texas Air National Guard) standards and failure to meet annual physical examination (flight) as ordered."


Killian wanted a formal inquiry into circumstances sur-rounding the flight suspension. No records have surfaced that one was ever conducted. A year later, in August 1973, Killian wrote a memo that said SUBJECT: CYA.


He said that Walter B. Staudt, the Texas Air National Guard commander, was pressuring one of Bush's superiors who two years earlier had rated Bush an outstanding pilot. Killian said, "I'm having trouble running interference and doing my job." Killian said that Staudt "is pushing to sugar coat" Bush's rating. "Bush wasn't here during rating period and I don't have any feedback from 187th in Alabama. I will not rate."


The memos' authenticity was questioned Thursday by Gary Killian, the late Killian's son.


"I am upset because I think it is a mixture of truth and fiction here," he said.


Reports say the memos, first obtained by CBS's "60 Minutes," were found in Jerry Killian's personal records. The White House distributed the four memos and did not question their accuracy.

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Having served as a USAF flight crew member for the last 15 years, I can tell you that the use of the word "suspended" was done with great literary license:

 A flight crew member is required to undergo a yearly physical in order to keep his or her status current.  Folks miss these physicals for a myriad of reasons, most of them legitimate.  When the physical is missed your flight status is "suspended" until the physical is completed.  That's it, no adverse action,  no court martial!!  You just can't fly until you see the Doc.  IT'S NO BIG FREAKIN' DEAL!!!  It happens all the time.  It's a non-issue, non-story, brought about by a bunch of people who realize that John Kerry is on the ropes and about to lose the election in a landslide.  

 One final thing, give the President a little credit...he actually was an F-102 pilot.  Regardless of what some may feel, It does take some intelligence and ability to fly a high performance fighter/interceptor aircraft!


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Update: Documents May Be Forgeries




Serious questions have been raised about the authenticity of four documents that CBS News said it had obtained from the personal files of Bush's former squadron commander in the Texas Air National Guard. We are removing reference to them in our Feb. 8 article on the "Texans for Truth" ad until these questions are settled to our satisfaction.


The four memos were purportedly written by Lt. Col. Jerry B. Killian, dated May 2, 1972, May 19 , 1972, August 1, 1972 and August 18, 1973. Killian died in 1984. CBS News didn't say how it had obtained the documents, but said it had was satisfied they were authentic after consulting experts. The White House did not question the documents when it released copies to reporters after obtaining them from CBS.


Subsequently, members of Killian's family said they suspected the documents weren't authentic, and experts quoted by conservative websites and mainstream news organizations said the documents could not have been produced by the typewriters in common use in the early 1970's. The memos contain proportional spacing, in which the letter "i" occupies less space than the letter "m," for example. And they contain the "superscript" character "th" (in “Report to111th F.I.S. administrative officer” in the May 2 memo, for example.) A feature of modern computer word-processing programs such as Microsoft Word automatically changes “th” to superscript characters when following numerals, but such characters were impossible to produce on ordinary typewriters in use in 1972.


The Associated Press quoted Killian's son Gary as saying he doubted his father would have written the 1973 memo which said there was pressure to "sugar coat" Bush's performance review. "It just wouldn't happen," he said. "No officer in his right mind would write a memo like that."

The Washington Post quoted Killian's widow, Marjorie Connell calling the documents "a farce" and saying he didn't keep files: "I don't think there were any documents. He was not a paper person." She said CBS had not asked her to authenticate the records.

The Los Angeles Times quoted Killian's daughter, Nancy Killian Rodriguez, as saying her family knew nothing about the source of the documents. "You can imagine all this from our perspective . . . Why is a man who passed away 20 years ago being brought up on something that happened 30 years ago and what does that have to do with what's going on in the world right now?"

The AP also quoted the personnel chief in Killian's unit at the time, Rufus Martin, as saying he believes the documents are fake: "They looked to me like forgeries. . . I don't think Killian would do that, and I knew him for 17 years."

The AP quoted independent document examiner Sandra Ramsey Lines saying the documents looked as though they had been produced on a computer using Microsoft Word software. Lines is a fellow of the American Academy of Forensic Sciences.

The Washington Post story quoted another document expert, William Flynn, a forensic specialist with 35 years of experience, as saying the CBS documents raise suspicions because of their use of proportional spacing techniques. "Although IBM had introduced an electric typewriter that used proportional spacing by the early 1970s, it was not widely used in government," the Post said.

The Los Angeles Times quoted Farrell C. Shiver, a Georgia-based analyst who edits a journal for document examiners, as saying that the superscript "th" would have been very unusual for that time: "You would not be able to do  that with a typewriter at that time unless you had a specialty key made." The New York Times also quoted  Shiver questioning the curves in the apostrophes, but adding: "that does not prove that the documents are not genuine."

The New York Times also quoted Philip Bouffard, a forensic document specialist from Ohio, as saying he could find nothing like the characters in the documents in a database he created of 3,000 old type fonts: "I found nothing like this in any of my typewriter specimens." He said they were "certainly consistent with what I see in Times Roman," a commonly used Microsoft Word font.

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False Documentation?


Questions Arise About Authenticity of Newly Found Memos on Bush’s Guard Service


Sept. 10, 2004 — Questions are being raised about the authenticity of newly discovered documents relating to George W. Bush's service in the National Guard during the Vietnam War.


Marjorie Connell — widow of the late Lt. Col. Jerry Killian, the reported author of memos suggesting that Bush did not meet the standards for the Texas Air National Guard — questioned whether the documents were real.


"The wording in these documents is very suspect to me," she told ABC News Radio in an exclusive phone interview from her Texas home. She added that she "just can't believe these are his words."


First reported by CBS' 60 Minutes, the memos allegedly were found in Killian's personal files. But his family members say they doubt he ever made such documents, let alone kept them.


Connell said Killian did not type, and though he did take notes, they were usually on scraps of paper. "He was a person who did not take copious notes," she said. "He carried everything in his mind."


Killian's son, Gary Killian, who served in the Guard with his father, also told ABC News Radio that he doubts his father wrote the documents. "It was not the nature of my father to keep private files like this, nor would it have been in his own interest to do so," he said.


"We don't know where the documents come from," he said, adding, "They didn't come from any family member."

Connell said her late husband would be "turning over in his grave to know that a document such as this would be used against a fellow Guardsman," and she is "sick" and "angry" that his name is "being battled back and forth on television."

Her late husband was a fan of the young Bush, said Connell, who remarried after her husband died in 1984. "I know for a fact that this young man … was an excellent aviator, an excellent person to be in the Guard, and he was very happy to have him become a member of the 111th."

Experts Question Veracity


Questions are also being raised about the memos by document experts, who say they appear to have been written on a computer, not a typewriter.


The memos are dated 1972 and 1973, when computers with word-processing software were not available.


More than half a dozen document experts contacted by ABC News said they had doubts about the memos' authenticity.

"These documents do not appear to have been the result of technology that was available in 1972 and 1973," said Bill Flynn, one of country's top authorities on document authentication. "The cumulative evidence that's available … indicates that these documents were produced on a computer, not a typewriter:"


Among the points Flynn and other experts noted:


The memos were written using a proportional typeface, where letters take up variable space according to their size, rather than fixed-pitch typeface used on typewriters, where each letter is allotted the same space. Proportional typefaces are available only on computers or on very high-end typewriters that were unlikely to be used by the National Guard.


The memos include superscript, i.e. the "th" in "187th" appears above the line in a smaller font. Superscript was not available on typewriters.


The memos included "curly" apostrophes rather than straight apostrophes found on typewriters.


The font used in the memos is Times Roman, which was in use for printing but not in typewriters. The Haas Atlas — the bible of fonts — does not list Times Roman as an available font for typewriters.


The vertical spacing used in the memos, measured at 13 points, was not available in typewriters, and only became possible with the advent of computers.


The White House is declining to comment on the veracity of the documents. Many Democrats are worried that if they are found to be forgeries, it will be a setback for Sen. John Kerry's campaign to defeat Bush in November.

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Dan Rather lost his integrity a long time ago, along with Peter Jennings and the rest of the Mainstream media jerkoffs!

And that's coming from a lefty!!!


:rotfl:  :rotfl:  :rotfl:


But with this slip up they have been caught with their pants down.


They did NO checking on this. A quite once over and they would have seen it was a fake. These guys are old enough that they should have seen the difference between a typed page and a computer generated page let alone all the other issues.


No, there is no liberal bias in the media. None at all  :no:

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Ben Barnes' daughter:

Father lied about Bush

Radio show confirms ID of female caller, called dad's CBS interview 'opportunistic'



Posted: September 10, 2004

1:43 p.m. Eastern




© 2004 WorldNetDaily.com


The daughter of former Texas Lt. Gov. Ben Barnes says her father fabricated claims made on "60 Minutes II" that he used his influence to help President Bush avoid going to Vietnam 36 years ago.


Amy Barnes Stites telephoned the Mark Davis radio show on WBAP in Dallas yesterday and described her father as a political opportunist who lied about Bush's National Guard record to help promote his upcoming book, elect John Kerry and "make Bush look like the bad person."


Jeff Williams, producer of the Mark Davis show, told WorldNetDaily that after independent confirmation, his staff is now certain that the woman who phoned in identifying herself as Amy from Denton, Texas, is Barnes' daughter.


"We are without any doubt that it is her," Williams said.


WBAP now has a recording of the conversation linked to its website.


The show was hosted yesterday by Monica Crowley of WABC in New York, who also is a Fox News Channel contributor.

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Can We Trust CBS About Bush?





We find out today that the CBS documents suggesting that George W. Bush received favorable treatment when he was in the National Guard during the Vietnam era may be fakes. In fact not only fakes, but bad fakes, created on computers and using software that didn't even exist in the early 1970's when the memos were supposedly written.


CBS has said in a statement that they stand by the story and the documents authenticity, saying 'As is standard practice at CBS News, the documents in the '60 Minutes' report were thoroughly examined and their authenticity vouched for by independent experts.'


I am going to admit, I have issues with the CBS news team as far as the Bush family goes. My dislike has centered in the past on anchorman Dan Rather, and probably began with his attempt at ambushing the elder Bush on national television in what was supposed to be a friendly interview. It deepened on his reporting of several election year campaigns, especially with his coverage of the Republican National conventions. And his obvious glee at the initial reports of Gore winning the Florida vote in 2000, and his disappointment when that prediction was overturned, just cemented my animosity.


Of course Rather claims that his reporting is unbiased. But this recent snafu within CBS begs the question of whether it is just Rather that has a visible political bias, or is it the CBS news team in general. I, for one, shall take anything I hear coming from CBS about this year's campaign with a grain of salt.


J. Markson

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Friday, Sept. 10, 2004 12:59 a.m. EDT

Caddell: Dan Rather May Have Cost Kerry the Election


Longtime Democratic strategist Pat Caddell said Friday that if documents aired by CBS newsman Dan Rather Wednesday night turn out to be forged as alleged by experts, the presidential race "is over."


"It would be the end of the race," Caddell told Fox News Live. "It would be the end of the race," he repeated.


"[Democratic officials are] so involved in this," the former Carter pollster worried. "They have gotten themselves so involved in this issue, [in] the last 24 hours, that somebody's going to, if they're not authentic, they're going to be blamed for it. It's incredible to me that they've gotten in this."

Caddell said he wasn't trying be sensationalize the issue, explaining that instead, "I'm trying to save my party, you know, by telling the truth."


He said that forfeiting the presidential race would be the least of his party's problems if Democrats are tied to any forgery scandal.


"The race is over - and we've got bigger problems than that," he warned.

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Having served as a USAF flight crew member for the last 15 years, I can tell you that the use of the word "suspended" was done with great literary license:

 A flight crew member is required to undergo a yearly physical in order to keep his or her status current.  Folks miss these physicals for a myriad of reasons, most of them legitimate.  When the physical is missed your flight status is "suspended" until the physical is completed.  That's it, no adverse action,  no court martial!!  You just can't fly until you see the Doc.  IT'S NO BIG FREAKIN' DEAL!!!  It happens all the time.  It's a non-issue, non-story, brought about by a bunch of people who realize that John Kerry is on the ropes and about to lose the election in a landslide.  

 One final thing, give the President a little credit...he actually was an F-102 pilot.  Regardless of what some may feel, It does take some intelligence and ability to fly a high performance fighter/interceptor aircraft!



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CBSNEWS anchor and 60 MINUTES correspondent Dan Rather publicly defended his reporting Friday morning after questions were raised about the authenticity of newly unearthed memos aired on CBS which asserted that George W. Bush ignored a direct order from a superior officer in the Texas Air National Guard.






DAN RATHER, CBS NEWS ANCHOR: I know that this story is true. I believe that the witnesses and the documents are authentic. We wouldn't have gone to air if they would not have been. There isn't going to be -- there's no -- what you're saying apology?


QUESTION: Apology or any kind of retraction or...


RATHER: Not even discussed, nor should it be. I want to make clear to you, I want to make clear to you if I have not made clear to you, that this story is true, and that more important questions than how we got the story, which is where those who don't like the story like to put the emphasis, the more important question is what are the answers to the questions raised in the story, which I just gave you earlier.




CBS NEWS executives on Thursday launched an internal investigation into whether its premiere news program 60 MINUTES aired fabricated documents relating to Bush's National Guard service, the DRUDGE REPORT has learned. "The reputation and integrity of the entire news division is at stake, if we are in error, it will be corrected," a top CBS source explained late Thursday.



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Edwards wants Bush to address Guard memos


Published: Friday, Sep. 10, 2004


NASHUA - President Bush should have to explain newly released records that reveal his former Texas National Guard superior was asked to “sugar coat” performance records after finding Bush failed standards to be a trained pilot, Sen. John Edwards said Thursday.


“I think they are reasonable and legitimate questions the White House ought to answer,” Edwards said during an interview with The Telegraph.


CBS News released 1972 and 1973 memos Wednesday from Lt. Col. Jerry Killian, who had commanded the 111th Fighter Interceptor Squadron where Bush served.


In one, Killian wrote that higher-ups wanted him to “sugar coat” Bush’s record after he got suspended from flying for failing performance standards and missing a required physical.


Killian died in 1984.


White House communications director Dan Bartlett said Bush did not take the physical because he was not going to be in a flying capacity while in Alabama working on a congressional campaign.


“Those who are trying to read the mind of a person dead 20 years are stretching at best. The president, at every turn, did what he was told to do,” Bartlett said.


Edwards said the American people have “moved on” and already dismissed attacks from a pro-Bush veterans group that Kerry didn’t deserve combat medals he received during the Vietnam War and had endangered prisoners of war with his strident protest of the war upon his return.


“I think people now having heard so much about it have a sense about John Kerry, his service to the country and his patriotism and what he’s done with the rest of his life,” Edwards said.


“I think people believe it’s time for us to talk about them, what are we going to do to improve their lives and how are we going to do that.”


The Bush-Cheney principals or their spouses have visited New Hampshire four times over the past six weeks, but Edwards does not fear this onslaught could lead to a “knockout blow” here.


Kerry, Edwards and their spouses have campaigned here four times since the first-in-the-nation primary in January.


“I think they see what we see, which are the polls have gone up and down, and as we approach the election, this is going to be a very close, competitive race. Every vote will matter and every vote in New Hampshire will matter,” Edwards said.


“They may have been here four or five times. I can’t begin to count the number of times John Kerry and John Edwards have been here in the last year and a half. We know this state like the back of our hand.”


Polls nationally conclude that despite the growing body count in Iraq, voters trust Bush more than Kerry on dealing with that war.


Edwards predicted this will change as the election approaches and what he called “the mess” there only worsens.


“I think, as a practical matter, as we go forward it will become increasingly clear just from the American people seeing what is happening there that we need a new, fresh leader who will bring others into this effort so we are not doing this alone,” Edwards said.


Bush campaign spokeswoman Maria Comella said Kerry has had eight different positions on Iraq and of late borrowed lines from Howard Dean, the Democratic hopeful who throughout 2003 criticized Kerry for giving Bush authorization to attack Iraq.


“Voters have to ask themselves how long this latest position Senator Kerry has taken on Iraq will last,” Comella said.


But Edwards said Kerry will go beyond what Bush has offered and present a plan for mobilizing more international support so that U.S. troops could pull out of Iraq by end of a first Kerry administration, in early 2009.


“To my knowledge, he (Bush) has given no indication what his plan is or if he has a plan,” Edwards said.


Meanwhile, he urged the Republican-led Congress and White House to permit an independent probe into what connections the Saudi government had with the terrorists who attacked New York and Washington on Sept. 11.


Sen. Bob Graham, D-Fla., has alleged such connections in a newly published book.


“This is the kind of information the American people are entitled to know about, given what happened,” Edwards said.


“I think what Bob Graham is saying is that there is a lot of information out there which should make people suspicious and leads him to a particular conclusion.”


The Bush-Cheney campaign has ridiculed Graham’s credibility, noting Graham’s own Democratic presidential campaign fizzled a few months after saying Bush should face impeachment charges for his Iraq policy.

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Statement From CBS News



   NEW YORK, Sept. 10 /PRNewswire/ -- Later today, CBS News will address on

the air and in detail the issues surrounding the documents broadcast in the 60

MINUTES report on President Bush's service in the Texas Air National Guard. At

this time, however, CBS News states with absolute certainty that the ability

to produce the "th" superscript mentioned in reports about the documents did

exist on typewriters as early as 1968, and in fact is in President Bush's

official military records released by the White House. This and other issues

surrounding the authenticity of the documents and more on this developing

story will be reported on tonight on THE CBS EVENING NEWS WITH DAN RATHER.




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A controversy is now raging over the authenticity of so-called National Guard documents used by the CBS program 60 Minutes II Wednesday night. CBS anchor Dan Rather reported that one of George Bush´s National Guard commanders Lt. Col. Jerry Killian wrote that President Bush defied direct orders, failed to meet minimum military performance standards and did not take a required physical examination. Supposedly, Killian´s documents are just now being unearthed.


Although CBS stands by the documents for now, many experts are claiming that the documents are fake and seem to have been created by a word processor, instead of a typewriter from the era of the early 1970´s.


An investigation is being launched at CBS, but it should come as no surprise that a major news network is working overtime to help insure the victory of a Democratic presidential candidate. This controversy should remind all Americans that the news networks are not objective and slant heavily toward the Democratic candidate.


Independent surveys by Professor S. Robert Lichter dating back to 1980 show that the media elite vote Democratic in large numbers and consider themselves liberal. These surveys have been verified by other respectable researchers. Of all the major network news anchors, Dan Rather is the most blatantly liberal and anti-Republican. In 1988, Rather came unglued during an interview with then-Vice President George H.W. Bush and started yelling at him. It was the low point of Rather´s career. Later, Rather effusively praised the Clinton´s while supposedly doing an objective interview. He also attended a fund raiser for the Democratic Party in Texas, not exactly a wise move for a neutral observer. CBS is also the network that produced the mini-series the Reagan´s that was nothing more than a hatchet job on the legacy of President Reagan.


So, in 2004, CBS is once again trying their very best to help the candidacy of John Kerry. Yet, it seems this time their efforts have been exposed. Let´s hope they have the decency to air a retraction and apologize. Maybe such a move will convince the American people that fair and balanced coverage cannot be found at CBS News.


Jeff Crouere

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This story interests me NOT because of the election. I have taken those players out of it.


I am following it because it shows so much about the media and who they are.


Not that it was not already known by anyone who is willing to see the truth but they have fucked up big time on this one and brought to light ontheir own.


This is better then the election!!

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Dan Rather's stand

By Wolf Blitzer


Friday, September 10, 2004  



WASHINGTON (CNN) -- This is not the first time Dan Rather has found himself in a serious dispute with a U.S. president.


There was this exchange in 1974 during the height of the Watergate scandal with then-President Richard Nixon:


Nixon: Are you running for something?


Rather: No sir, are you?


And there was this exchange with then-Vice President George Bush in 1988 over the Iran-Contra scandal.


Rather: I don't want to be argumentative, Mr. vice president.


Bush: You do, Dan.


Rather: No -- no, sir, I don't.


Bush: This is not a great night, because I want to talk about why I want to be president, why those 41 percent of the people are supporting me. And I don't think it's fair to judge my whole career by a rehash of Iran. How would you like it if I judged your career by those seven minutes when you walked off the set in New York?


Now, the 72-year-old CBS News anchor finds himself in yet another confrontation with a Republican president.


"I want to emphasize: I stand by my president. We are in a time of war, and I stand behind my president. There is not joy in reporting such a story, but my job as a journalist is not to be afraid, and when we come with facts, and legitimate questions supported by witnesses and documents that we believe to be authentic, to raise those questions no matter how unpleasant they are," Rather said Friday.


At issue is his report on "60 Minutes" that aired Wednesday -- a report that included documents purporting to show that the current President Bush, while serving in the Texas Air National Guard, did not meet all his military obligations.


"They [the White House] have not answered the question of did or did the president not obey or obey an order? Was he or was he not suspended for failure to meet performance standards of the Air Force? If he didn't take the physical, why didn't he take the physical?" Rather said.


But now, there are questions about the authenticity of the documents released by "60 Minutes."


The Washington Post says the "60 Minutes" documents are not consistent with other documents released by Bush's Air National Guard unit in the early '70's.


"If you compare the documents that CBS produced with the documents that we know to be authentic, that did come from Bush's National Guard unit, none of those documents use proportionate spacing. And that's only one of the anomalies," says the Post's Michael Dobbs.


Experts contacted by CNN say there are some inconsistencies in the type style and formatting -- noting those styles then existed on typewriters but were not common. They also say only a review of the original documents -- not copies -- can completely resolve the matter.


Beyond that, surviving relatives of Bush's then commander, Lt. Col. Jerry Killian, the author of the purported documents, insist they are fake. They say Killian always believed Bush was an excellent pilot and that he never wrote these documents. Killian died in 1984.


"The story is true. The story is true," Rather said. "The questions raised in the story are serious and legitimate questions."


Rather denies there is any internal CBS News investigation under way -- a statement backed by the network.


Rather also said the possibility of issuing any kind of recant or apology was "not even discussed. Nor should it be."

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CBS Defends Memos On Bush's National Guard Service

White House Calls Memos 'Orchestrated Affair' By Democrats


CBS is aggressively defending the documents it obtained about President George W. Bush's time in the Texas Air National Guard are authentic, but others aren't so sure.


Newly unearthed memos indicate that Bush ignored an order from a superior officer, and ultimately lost his pilot status because he failed to meet standards and undergo a medical exam.


CBS, which originally reported on the memos, is standing by them. The documents were vital in the "60 Minutes II" report on Bush's service from 1968 to 1973.


"This report was not based solely on recovered documents, but rather on a preponderance of evidence, including documents that were provided by unimpeachable sources, interviews with former Texas National Guard officials and individuals who worked closely back in the early 1970s with Col. Jerry Killian and were well acquainted with his procedures, his character and his thinking," the company said in a statement.


"In addition, the documents are backed up not only by independent handwriting and forensic document experts but by sources familiar with their content," the statement said. "Contrary to some rumors, no internal investigation is under way at CBS News, nor is one planned. We have complete confidence in our reporting and will continue to pursue the story."


But some say the documents are forgeries. Some experts quoted by The Associated Press and other news organizations say the memos had features unavailable in the early 1970s when they were supposedly written.


One independent document examiner said it looks to her as if they came from a computer using Microsoft Word software and not a Vietnam-era typewriter.


She points to the superscript "th" in "111th Fighter Interceptor Squadron" as evidence. Those letters are inserted in the documents CBS obtained in the exact style as they would be in a Microsoft Word document, the expert said.


But CBS insists the marks were available on typewriters used at the time.


The son of Lt. Col. Jerry Killian, who reportedly wrote the memos, said he doubts they are authentic.


Gary Killian said one paper with his father's signature appears legitimate, but he said another -- in which his father says he was under pressure to "sugar coat" Bush's performance -- seems fake.


The White House says it doesn't know if the memos are genuine, but a spokesman said this much is clear: Democrats are "determined to throw the kitchen sink" at the president.


Press Secretary Scott McClellan said regardless of where the documents came from, they don't change the fact that Bush did his Vietnam-era duty and was honorably discharged.


McClellan said it's all part of an "orchestrated effort" by Democrats to tear down Bush because John Kerry is slipping in the polls.


But Democratic National Committee chairman Terry McAuliffe said Americans "deserve to know the truth" about Bush's time in the Texas Air National Guard.


McAuliffe wants Bush to publicly answer questions about his Vietnam-era service.


He said that even if those particular records turn out to be fakes, there's other evidence the commander-in-chief shirked his duty in his early days. He said Pentagon documents show Bush "just didn't show up." McAuliffe said Bush has twice lied about his military service.

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