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One of the many nice things about being retired is I get to sort of languish in bed pretty much every morning before rolling out to start my day. It's nice, and I like it.

 

So this morning I was thinking about the whole ISIS thing and how our government is just making things worse. While this was running through my mind I remembered a book I read some years back called the Tides of War by Steven Pressfield.

 

The book concerns itself with the Athenian General Alcibiades - who never lost a battle, and yet through politics and democracy Athens lost the Peloponnesian War. In a sense there's a lot of cross over between what happened then, and what is happening now with our government and our war with Muslims.

 

Just a random though.

 

Those interested in military history might enjoy the book.

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This guy is between a rock and a hard place, how does he wiggle out of this after Paris?

 

Canada PM Trudeau Reaffirms Withdrawal From Combat Role Against ISIS

 

Canada PM Trudeau Reaffirms Withdrawal From Combat Role Against ISIS Canadian Prime Minister to stick with election pledge despite a push by allies to step up military efforts after the Paris attacks

BN-LH314_1116ca_J_20151116165432.jpgCanada's Prime Minister Justin Trudeau takes part in a moment of silence to remember the victims of Friday's Paris attacks, at the start of a plenary session at the G-20 Summit in Antalya, Turkey on Sunday. PHOTO: ASSOCIATED PRESS

 

Canada’s new government says it plans to stick with its election pledge to withdraw from a combat role against Islamic State, despite a push by allies to step up military efforts after the Paris attacks.

At the end of the Group of 20 leaders’ summit in Antalya, Turkey, which was dominated by talk of strengthened global effort to battle terrorism, Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau on Monday reaffirmed his government’s intention of scaling back its military presence in the fight against Islamic State.

He said he would carry through with his campaign promise to withdraw Canada’s six fighter jets from the U.S.-led mission in Iraq and Syria aimed at defeating Islamic State, also known as ISIS or ISIL. The group claimed responsibility for Friday’s attacks in the French capital, which killed 129 and left hundreds injured.

Mr. Trudeau told Canadian reporters Canada would still have a “serious military role” in the Middle East and in the fight against ISIS, but with a focus on training local troops.

“Canada is resolute in doing its part against the fight against terrorism and against ISIS,” Mr. Trudeau said, adding any end to Canada’s bombing efforts in Iraq and Syria would be done in conjunction with its allies and in a responsible manner. He said no G-20 ally asked Canada to reconsider.

The Canadian leader’s pledge to end its bombing missions is at odds with remarks by other G-20 leaders about the need to expand efforts against ISIS in the aftermath of the Paris attacks. U.S. President Barack Obama said on Monday that Washington would intensify all elements of its strategy against ISIS, but ruled out having U.S. troops on the ground engaging in combat. French President François Hollande told the country’s lawmakers that France “is at war” against Jihadi terrorists, and vowed to coordinate further airstrikes on ISIS strongholds.

The Paris attacks pose an early, and significant, foreign-policy dilemma for Mr. Trudeau,who swept to power in parliamentary elections last month and sworn in as Prime Minister less than two weeks ago. At present, Mr. Trudeau is leaning toward fulfilling campaign promises on foreign policy as opposed to adjusting to events in Paris and elsewhere, from Beirut and Ankara.

The optics for Mr. Trudeau “look very problematic for a government that’s come to power promising that, Canada is back, and one of the first things Canada does is be offside with its major alliance partners,” said Kim Richard Nossal, an expert in international relations and defense policy at Queen’s University in Kingston, Ontario.

As part of the U.S. military mission against ISIS, Canada’s six fighter jets have taken part in nearly 200 airstrikes in Iraq and Syria, or a fraction of the over 8,000 conducted to date as part of the U.S.-led anti-ISIS mission. There are 600 Canadian military personnel deployed to the Middle East, among them 69 members of a special forces unit that help train Iraqi security forces and offer strategic advice on Iraqi military operations.

The current mandate for Canadian forces, introduced by the former Conservative government, runs until the end of March. Mr. Trudeau declined Monday to offer a timetable on the end to Canada’s bombing mission.

David Perry, senior analyst at the Canadian Global Affairs Institute, said in lieu of fighter jets Canada would have to “deliver on its commitment to provide substantial additional resources to do something else.” This would likely entail more military personnel on the training front to help Iraqi forces, and offering help to France in its counterterrorism efforts in northern Africa.

Mr. Trudeau came to power in part because he offered a shift in tone and style from the previous Conservative government, under former prime minister Stephen Harper. Part of the Liberal platform included a less confrontational tone on foreign affairs. Along with an end to Canadian airstrikes in the Middle East, the Liberals pledged to bring in an additional 25,000 refugees from Syria by the end of the 2015.

The Conservative Party, which lost power in last month’s national vote, has urged Mr. Trudeau over the weekend to break his promise on withdrawing fighter jets given the heightened concern over terrorism. The premier of the resource-rich province of Saskatchewan, Brad Wall, wrote to Mr. Trudeau to urge him to suspend his plan on Syrian refugees given the Paris attacks.

“If even a small number of individuals who wish to do harm to our country are able to enter Canada as a result of a rushed refugee resettlement process, the results could be devastating,” Mr. Wall said. A spokeswoman for Canada’s Immigration Minister said the government remains committed to its refugee pledge, and it would be accomplished without compromising security.

A similar debate is under way in Europe in the aftermath of Friday’s attacks in Paris, as there’s concern the continent isn't doing enough to protect itself from terrorists who might infiltrate the thousands of migrants arriving daily from the Middle East.

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Hey Canada has a ball less, clueless, slack jawed jerk off in charge just like us :)

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Canada will withdraw all 6 of it fighter piper cubs ?i think thats right ,probably following mexicos navy of 3 bass boats

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Hey Canada has a ball less, clueless, slack jawed jerk off in charge just like us :)

 

You know ... those guys up north saw what a fuck up obummer is.. how he wrecked the economy, destroyed the military, and set everyone at everyone else's throat... and when they saw all this they thought - we got to get some of that!!

 

Yeah - you'd think smart folks like the Canadians are would learn from other people's experience. Guess not. Oh well. If you don't learn from history, well.. you know the rest.

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Neville Chamberlain was born on March 18, 1869, in Birmingham, England. He served as British prime minister from 1937 to 1940, and is best known for his policy of "appeasement" toward Adolf Hitler'sGermany. He signed the Munich Agreement in 1938, relinquishing a region of Czechoslovakia to the Nazis.

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This guy is between a rock and a hard place, how does he wiggle out of this after Paris?

 

Canada PM Trudeau Reaffirms Withdrawal From Combat Role Against ISIS

 

Canada PM Trudeau Reaffirms Withdrawal From Combat Role Against ISIS Canadian Prime Minister to stick with election pledge despite a push by allies to step up military efforts after the Paris attacks

BN-LH314_1116ca_J_20151116165432.jpgCanada's Prime Minister Justin Trudeau takes part in a moment of silence to remember the victims of Friday's Paris attacks, at the start of a plenary session at the G-20 Summit in Antalya, Turkey on Sunday. PHOTO: ASSOCIATED PRESS

 

Canada’s new government says it plans to stick with its election pledge to withdraw from a combat role against Islamic State, despite a push by allies to step up military efforts after the Paris attacks.

At the end of the Group of 20 leaders’ summit in Antalya, Turkey, which was dominated by talk of strengthened global effort to battle terrorism, Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau on Monday reaffirmed his government’s intention of scaling back its military presence in the fight against Islamic State.

He said he would carry through with his campaign promise to withdraw Canada’s six fighter jets from the U.S.-led mission in Iraq and Syria aimed at defeating Islamic State, also known as ISIS or ISIL. The group claimed responsibility for Friday’s attacks in the French capital, which killed 129 and left hundreds injured.

Mr. Trudeau told Canadian reporters Canada would still have a “serious military role” in the Middle East and in the fight against ISIS, but with a focus on training local troops.

“Canada is resolute in doing its part against the fight against terrorism and against ISIS,” Mr. Trudeau said, adding any end to Canada’s bombing efforts in Iraq and Syria would be done in conjunction with its allies and in a responsible manner. He said no G-20 ally asked Canada to reconsider.

The Canadian leader’s pledge to end its bombing missions is at odds with remarks by other G-20 leaders about the need to expand efforts against ISIS in the aftermath of the Paris attacks. U.S. President Barack Obama said on Monday that Washington would intensify all elements of its strategy against ISIS, but ruled out having U.S. troops on the ground engaging in combat. French President François Hollande told the country’s lawmakers that France “is at war” against Jihadi terrorists, and vowed to coordinate further airstrikes on ISIS strongholds.

The Paris attacks pose an early, and significant, foreign-policy dilemma for Mr. Trudeau,who swept to power in parliamentary elections last month and sworn in as Prime Minister less than two weeks ago. At present, Mr. Trudeau is leaning toward fulfilling campaign promises on foreign policy as opposed to adjusting to events in Paris and elsewhere, from Beirut and Ankara.

The optics for Mr. Trudeau “look very problematic for a government that’s come to power promising that, Canada is back, and one of the first things Canada does is be offside with its major alliance partners,” said Kim Richard Nossal, an expert in international relations and defense policy at Queen’s University in Kingston, Ontario.

As part of the U.S. military mission against ISIS, Canada’s six fighter jets have taken part in nearly 200 airstrikes in Iraq and Syria, or a fraction of the over 8,000 conducted to date as part of the U.S.-led anti-ISIS mission. There are 600 Canadian military personnel deployed to the Middle East, among them 69 members of a special forces unit that help train Iraqi security forces and offer strategic advice on Iraqi military operations.

The current mandate for Canadian forces, introduced by the former Conservative government, runs until the end of March. Mr. Trudeau declined Monday to offer a timetable on the end to Canada’s bombing mission.

David Perry, senior analyst at the Canadian Global Affairs Institute, said in lieu of fighter jets Canada would have to “deliver on its commitment to provide substantial additional resources to do something else.” This would likely entail more military personnel on the training front to help Iraqi forces, and offering help to France in its counterterrorism efforts in northern Africa.

Mr. Trudeau came to power in part because he offered a shift in tone and style from the previous Conservative government, under former prime minister Stephen Harper. Part of the Liberal platform included a less confrontational tone on foreign affairs. Along with an end to Canadian airstrikes in the Middle East, the Liberals pledged to bring in an additional 25,000 refugees from Syria by the end of the 2015.

The Conservative Party, which lost power in last month’s national vote, has urged Mr. Trudeau over the weekend to break his promise on withdrawing fighter jets given the heightened concern over terrorism. The premier of the resource-rich province of Saskatchewan, Brad Wall, wrote to Mr. Trudeau to urge him to suspend his plan on Syrian refugees given the Paris attacks.

“If even a small number of individuals who wish to do harm to our country are able to enter Canada as a result of a rushed refugee resettlement process, the results could be devastating,” Mr. Wall said. A spokeswoman for Canada’s Immigration Minister said the government remains committed to its refugee pledge, and it would be accomplished without compromising security.

A similar debate is under way in Europe in the aftermath of Friday’s attacks in Paris, as there’s concern the continent isn't doing enough to protect itself from terrorists who might infiltrate the thousands of migrants arriving daily from the Middle East.

WSJ

 

 

 

 

That guy is a huge idiot. People voted him in because they didn't like our previous Prime minister. He has zero experience. he also said he would bring in 25000 refugees by the end of the year. Now he says he can't do it so he is bringing in 10'000 by years end. That is the exact number already cleared and approved by our previous PM. Our previous PM lowered our taxes and balanced the books. This knob said he would run huge deficits and still got voted in. His daddy was our PM in the 70's and he butchered our military. His son is about to do the same.

 

 

 

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You know ... those guys up north saw what a fuck up obummer is.. how he wrecked the economy, destroyed the military, and set everyone at everyone else's throat... and when they saw all this they thought - we got to get some of that!!

 

Yeah - you'd think smart folks like the Canadians are would learn from other people's experience. Guess not. Oh well. If you don't learn from history, well.. you know the rest.

 

 

 

The smart Canadiens didn't vote that ass in. The tree hugging pot smoking granola eating gutless pieces of shit did. We have aging cf18 hornet fighters decent plane but getting tired. We have the raptor on order but the new dickless wonder is going to cancel that order and get cheaper planes. Hell he will probably take some of our old spitfires out of the war museum and reuse them.

 

 

 

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Wow, the Canooks loaned six fighter jets?

 

How generous

 

 

well we only got about 30. again that's thanks to a previous liberal government.

 

 

 

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The smart Canadiens didn't vote that ass in. The tree hugging pot smoking granola eating gutless pieces of shit did. We have aging cf18 hornet fighters decent plane but getting tired. We have the raptor on order but the new dickless wonder is going to cancel that order and get cheaper planes. Hell he will probably take some of our old spitfires out of the war museum and reuse them.

 

 

 

Al

Don't blame the dope smokers....

 

And hurry and come south... I see the need for another wall soon...

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The smart Canadiens didn't vote that ass in. The tree hugging pot smoking granola eating gutless pieces of shit did. We have aging cf18 hornet fighters decent plane but getting tired. We have the raptor on order but the new dickless wonder is going to cancel that order and get cheaper planes. Hell he will probably take some of our old spitfires out of the war museum and reuse them.

 

Al

 

Not much we can say down here about you guys... just look at the loons we have running the store.

 

We have people who will actually vote for Bernie Sanders.

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The smart Canadiens didn't vote that ass in. The tree hugging pot smoking granola eating gutless pieces of shit did. We have aging cf18 hornet fighters decent plane but getting tired. We have the raptor on order but the new dickless wonder is going to cancel that order and get cheaper planes. Hell he will probably take some of our old spitfires out of the war museum and reuse them.

 

 

 

Al

Al I was just pointing out he got himself in a jam.. I didn't have any intention of implying any disrespect for Canada or my Canadian brothers and sisters.... Hell... I'm so far North I'm a half breed anyways!

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The smart Canadiens didn't vote that ass in. The tree hugging pot smoking granola eating gutless pieces of shit did. We have aging cf18 hornet fighters decent plane but getting tired. We have the raptor on order but the new dickless wonder is going to cancel that order and get cheaper planes. Hell he will probably take some of our old spitfires out of the war museum and reuse them.

 

 

 

Al

Al I was just pointing out he got himself in a jam.. I didn't have any intention of implying any disrespect for Canada or my Canadian brothers and sisters.... Hell... I'm so far North I'm a half breed anyways!

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Al I was just pointing out he got himself in a jam.. I didn't have any intention of implying any disrespect for Canada or my Canadian brothers and sisters.... Hell... I'm so far North I'm a half breed anyways!

 

There ought to be some sort of qualification for voting... like not being on the dole. Retired or having a job. Over 30 years old.

 

And to highlight the stupidity we have down here in the 'states... not allowing non-citizens to vote (like they can out in California).

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Al I was just pointing out he got himself in a jam.. I didn't have any intention of implying any disrespect for Canada or my Canadian brothers and sisters.... Hell... I'm so far North I'm a half breed anyways!

 

 

 

No offense taken my friend I just get riled up when that dipshit trudeau gets mentioned.

 

 

 

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No offense taken my friend I just get riled up when that dipshit trudeau gets mentioned.

 

 

 

Al

Yeah.... But Maggie was a hottie...

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