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Did anyone watch the GOP debate on CNBC last night.

 

I was astounded by the lack of professionalism of the "moderators". They were actually attacking and arguing with the candidates! Obvious liberal media bias.

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The moderators were on a smear campaign , the liberal media has no shame ... Oh yeah they're democrats

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The moderators were on a smear campaign , the liberal media has no shame ... Oh yeah they're democrats

Not all Liberals are democrats, some are Socialists!

 

I really liked Christie's smack-down, "even in Jersey that would be rude". That made the debate worth watching. Rubio kicked ass! I am going smoke my last Cuban this weekend in his honor.

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The moderators were on a smear campaign , the liberal media has no shame ... Oh yeah they're democrats

 

Actually I thought the real LOOSER for the night was the media.

 

As for the candidates -

Kasich and Bush lost big time IMO.

Paul and Huckabee didn't do themselves any favors

Trump, Carson, and Fiorina did well

Cruz, Rubio, and Christie did REALLY WELL.

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Not all Liberals are democrats, some are Socialists!

 

I really liked Christie's smack-down, "even in Jersey that would be rude". That made the debate worth watching. Rubio kicked ass! I am going smoke my last Cuban this weekend in his honor.

 

I really enjoyed Christie's comment about Fantasy Football.

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Actually I thought the real LOOSER for the night was the media.

 

As for the candidates -

Kasich and Bush lost big time IMO.

Paul and Huckabee didn't do themselves any favors

Trump, Carson, and Fiorina did well

Cruz, Rubio, and Christie did REALLY WELL.

A Rubio/Fiorina ticket would clean the floor with Hillary. Sadly they have to get the nomination to do so. I almost understand why Trump is doing well, even though I think Hillary could beat him I do not understand Carson. Nice guy, would make a great surgeon general, but didn't we already have a black guy with no experience running anything?

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My wife worked at HP when Fiorina was CEO - let's just say she has nothing good to say about her. However, last night my wife actually thought she did well and was impressed - and would even consider voting for her in an election.

 

I'm still behind Trump. I don't trust the GOP establishment, too many flip flop around there. THE big issue that will influence my vote is illegal immigration, and I don't trust Rubio on that issue. I'm not impressed with Carson; he seems like a nice guy, speaks well, but isn't inspiring at all.

 

Right now my top 3 are: Trump, Cruz, and (surprisingly) Fiorina.

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My wife worked at HP when Fiorina was CEO - let's just say she has nothing good to say about her. However, last night my wife actually thought she did well and was impressed - and would even consider voting for her in an election.

 

I'm still behind Trump. I don't trust the GOP establishment, too many flip flop around there. THE big issue that will influence my vote is illegal immigration, and I don't trust Rubio on that issue. I'm not impressed with Carson; he seems like a nice guy, speaks well, but isn't inspiring at all.

 

Right now my top 3 are: Trump, Cruz, and (surprisingly) Fiorina.

Ken,

 

Who do you think is most likely to beat Hillary?

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Ken,

 

Who do you think is most likely to beat Hillary?

 

I think that any of the top GOP candidates can beat Hillary on the issues. The Clintons though are masters of extremely dirty, even criminal politics so even the best candidate has a very good chance of losing.

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Can these things even be classified as debates?

 

Here's where I have problems with the GOP:

 

With liberals/democrats, at least you know where they are coming from. They aren't going to sugarcoat what they are bent on doing. Gun control/confiscation, ban religion (at least Christianity), pro abortion, redistribute wealth, open borders, yadda, yadda, yadda...We all know what they are about, and they aren't trying to hide it. No surprises when they lie. Hell, they even smirk when they lie as if it's cute. We all know the score.

 

With republicans, we don't know what the hell they are going to do once they get elected. The last general election, republicans made gains, and even took the House...only to do none of what they said they would do. Things continue to get worse.

So who's worse? In my eyes the GOP is, because they have betrayed my already tenuous trust that they would do SOMETHING. Might as well have voted liberal.

To me that makes the establishment/career GOP a rat.

 

Fuckem. They will never see my vote in their column again.

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I think that any of the top GOP candidates can beat Hillary on the issues. The Clintons though are masters of extremely dirty, even criminal politics so even the best candidate has a very good chance of losing.

Quite true. To beat Hillary we need someone who is good at making points and bringing out the many flaws of Hillary. Conversly, our preferred candidate should not have too much baggage. We can discuss weather Trump would be a good pres., but I don't think he is electable. He said too many stupid things and pissed off the Hispanics and a lot of women. Lots of Dems don't really like Hillary and now realize that Obama was terrible. The right guy ( or girl) could win. Hence my opinion of Rubio. The Hispanics will like him, he has great command of the issues, and he is very good in a debate. Just my opinion.

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A Rubio/Fiorina ticket would clean the floor with Hillary. Sadly they have to get the nomination to do so. I almost understand why Trump is doing well, even though I think Hillary could beat him I do not understand Carson. Nice guy, would make a great surgeon general, but didn't we already have a black guy with no experience running anything?

You think the Hildabeast would beat Trump? Just found that curious.

 

As for Carson; I have thought of him as a soft spoken version of Trump. What if he were paired with Rand Paul or Fiorina

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Y'all are dreaming. Hillary is going in. One term or two? We are lazy and don't give a shit. We deserve what we get. We are going down.

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You think the Hildabeast would beat Trump? Just found that curious.

 

As for Carson; I have thought of him as a soft spoken version of Trump. What if he were paired with Rand Paul or Fiorina

Are you asking me if she should beat Trump, no. If you ask will she beat Trump, let me put it this way....President Obama, twice. You think the average person is smarter than the actually are, however I applaud your optimism. As far as Carson goes, nice guy but Hillary would whip him, she is a crafty politician, I think Carson is just not up to the challenge.

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Y'all are dreaming. Hillary is going in. One term or two? We are lazy and don't give a shit. We deserve what we get. We are going down.

Don't take our hope for a better America!

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Quite true. To beat Hillary we need someone who is good at making points and bringing out the many flaws of Hillary. Conversly, our preferred candidate should not have too much baggage. We can discuss weather Trump would be a good pres., but I don't think he is electable. He said too many stupid things and pissed off the Hispanics and a lot of women. Lots of Dems don't really like Hillary and now realize that Obama was terrible. The right guy ( or girl) could win. Hence my opinion of Rubio. The Hispanics will like him, he has great command of the issues, and he is very good in a debate. Just my opinion.

 

The problem with this is that Republicans are never going to win big with blacks or hispanics. They are the voting block that will forever be in the pocket of the Democrats. Blacks make up about 20% or the population, and the according to the last numbers I saw hispanics make up about 12% of the population - and whites make up about 70%. I believe a good argument can be made that Republicans should go after a greater percentage of the white vote.. if Romney had brought in just few percentage points more of the white vote he would have won, but instead of focusing on this he went after the hispanic / black vote - which he didn't win anyway.

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The problem with this is that Republicans are never going to win big with blacks or hispanics. They are the voting block that will forever be in the pocket of the Democrats. Blacks make up about 20% or the population, and the according to the last numbers I saw hispanics make up about 12% of the population - and whites make up about 70%. I believe a good argument can be made that Republicans should go after a greater percentage of the white vote.. if Romney had brought in just few percentage points more of the white vote he would have won, but instead of focusing on this he went after the hispanic / black vote - which he didn't win anyway.

Maybe one day a repub will just say to the black voters, has the policies of the past worked for you? Have the promises of opportunity worked? Try our way to the path of true opportunity.

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I think that any of the top GOP candidates can beat Hillary on the issues. The Clintons though are masters of extremely dirty, even criminal politics so even the best candidate has a very good chance of losing.

 

I loved how Huckabee said, "I beat the Clintons and lived to tell about it!" :rotfl:

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Don't delude yourselves gentlemen. It's a game of numbers, not "Hilliary vs Trump".

Democrats have the numbers, they will win the election

Your vote does not count." We" Don' elect Presidents, the Electoral College does.

Win the right states and get the most electoral votes and you're the President.

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Y'all are dreaming. Hillary is going in. One term or two? We are lazy and don't give a shit. We deserve what we get. We are going down.

 

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For many people things are working just fine as is. Y'all are on the wrong page. They don't vote because they want change, they vote the way they do because they like the Status quo.

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For many people things are working just fine as is. Y'all are on the wrong page. They don't vote because they want change, they vote the way they do because they like the Status quo.

I don't buy that. A good part of the people I speak with, even Dems are pissed off about the state of the status quo. Besides, most people who vote for change vote their pocketbooks. Further most believe ( even many dems) that the Repub's do a better job on the economy, so there is hope.

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