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I picked out a very nice looking Indian textile jacket at my dealer while waiting on my break-in oil change. All of the Indian branded jackets unfortunately are made in China. It seemed well made and the dealer gave me about a $70 discount on it so I bought it. Well nine days into owning this garment the bottom stopper at the end of the zipper fell off, meaning I could zip it up but it just stayed open below the zipper pull. I returned it to the dealership and wanted to exchange it for a hopefully good one or get a refund. That got complicated too as I was directed over to their parts department who told me the woman who takes care of returns wouldn't be in until the Tuesday after Memorial Day. It's now June 6th and I haven't heard anything from them. The way I feel now, I think I should just demand a full refund so that I can go look for something else, preferably made in U.S.A.

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i would walk in, lay the jacket on the counter and watch them count my hard earned money out in my hands ,some one has to fill her job when she is sick ,vacation etc. wait to long and they will use the over 30 days bullshit .

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Ya gone in and throw the dam china crap on the counter and tell them you want your money back. Then go buy you a American made jacket. China= crap. They give you any shit tell them you want to see whoever owns the business. PI dropping there standards pushing this china crap.

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The standards have dropped from the Gilroy days... first Vietnam now China... don't buy that shit... there are plenty of American providers of leather goods... Mine is from Fox Creek leathers.. cost no more than one from China that says Indian....if you want it to say Indian.. have a patch sewn on it....

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The one I got a couple of years ago was one of the ones made in Vietnam. I do admit the quality of it was fantastic though.. Haven't seen one of he made in China ones in person..

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Other than the damn zipper this one "appeared" to be well made too. Either way the dealer & Polaris has to make it right with me. Refund, replace or repair the jacket. A metal zipper would be a good fix but it's very unlikely the dealer would get it fixed or reimburse me for having it done. The refund would be the simplest solution in my case.

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I bought the same one and so far no problems except I didn't get as big of a discount

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I was looking at the brown leather jacket that came out when Polaris took over as the 'squeezing blood from a turnip' model of Indian, and was disgusted to see they were made in Vietnam, and at the msrp of $500. That greed factor turned my stomach, at which point I bought two used Indian Canadian made varsity type leather and wool jackets for my wife and me from a guy in - Canada. Pretty sad that they claim to be such All-American types, then to fuck American clothing makers over, and THEN, fuck the Namster's over for Chinese slave labor goods. I figured that jacket should retail for less than a C-note and still make them a profit. Their sales pitch should be "We're here for YOU('re money)!"

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Unfortunately, most American textile manufacturers have either sold out to foreign companies or moved production overseas. It's not cost effective to produce clothing here in this country although some clothing items are still assembled here from foreign-made material. We've put ourselves into a position where we can't do anything inexpensively in this country anymore because even the part-time summer Dairy Queen employee is now entitled to free health care, college tuition, stock options and a retirement package (maybe slightly exaggerated).

 

Anyway, most people want cheap and could care less where the product was made, However, you can bet shit will hit the fan when the minimum wage hits $15 an hour and a Happy Meal at McDonald's bumps up to ten bucks. :nod:

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I picked out a very nice looking Indian textile jacket at my dealer while waiting on my break-in oil change. All of the Indian branded jackets unfortunately are made in China. It seemed well made and the dealer gave me about a $70 discount on it so I bought it. Well nine days into owning this garment the bottom stopper at the end of the zipper fell off, meaning I could zip it up but it just stayed open below the zipper pull. I returned it to the dealership and wanted to exchange it for a hopefully good one or get a refund. That got complicated too as I was directed over to their parts department who told me the woman who takes care of returns wouldn't be in until the Tuesday after Memorial Day. It's now June 6th and I haven't heard anything from them. The way I feel now, I think I should just demand a full refund so that I can go look for something else, preferably made in U.S.A.

The zipper is made by YKK, who make like 99% of all zippers in the universe. Made in USA, China, Mexico, Vietnam, the moon.. Doesn't really matter, it will still be a YKK zipper.

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IMHO the point is....this is a brand playing off the "American Motorcycle" position in the market. That should extend to the accessories, especially since Steve Minetto told a roomful of attendees of the Q&A that there WOULD be Made in USA apparel.

 

I for one am not wearing a Pak or Chinese jacket on my American made bike. You opinion may vary.

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I picked out a very nice looking Indian textile jacket at my dealer while waiting on my break-in oil change. All of the Indian branded jackets unfortunately are made in China. It seemed well made and the dealer gave me about a $70 discount on it so I bought it. Well nine days into owning this garment the bottom stopper at the end of the zipper fell off, meaning I could zip it up but it just stayed open below the zipper pull. I returned it to the dealership and wanted to exchange it for a hopefully good one or get a refund. That got complicated too as I was directed over to their parts department who told me the woman who takes care of returns wouldn't be in until the Tuesday after Memorial Day. It's now June 6th and I haven't heard anything from them. The way I feel now, I think I should just demand a full refund so that I can go look for something else, preferably made in U.S.A.

 

THANKS A LOT OBAMA!

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THANKS A LOT OBAMA!

This is Obama's fault because ?!?!?! Manufacturing has been going overseas long, long before Obama. If you need to get political, blame Nixon. He's the one that opened the door to Chinese manufacturing.

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Not one President has clean hands.....just some are dirtier than others. :nod:

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American Quality

 

After some 15 years of nearly all-weather riding my Brooks jacket was showing a little wear and tear, so I put "new leather jacket" on my Christmas list and my wife got me one. What a horrible awkwardness I felt as I saw the "Made in Pakistan" label, and wanted to rip my wife on Christmas morning. I would think Harry's Army Surplus could do better. Fortunately, the jacket was too large, providing me an excuse to return it. When I did, I told them there are two problems; it's too big, and the Pakistan label is unacceptable. Then I got to chat with the owner.

 

I asked about Brooks and he said they are still in business in New York, but hard to get hold of. Then he told me about one of the pattern makers quitting Brooks and going to Reed - with his patterns. Next we looked at a Reed catalogue and we ordered a jacket nearly Identical to my beloved Brooks. It was available in three grades (thickness) of leather, and I choose the middle one at $350. Ten years later it still looks practically new.

 

This is just one reason I look for the Made in U.S. friggin' A. label when I buy stuff. And if it hurts my wallet, I consider it a good pain, and usually have a superior product.

 

BTW - if you owned a Reed with the stitches falling apart in the late 70's, it was a foreign counterfeit knock off. They were not real Reed's.

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Unfortunately, most American textile manufacturers have either sold out to foreign companies or moved production overseas. It's not cost effective to produce clothing here in this country although some clothing items are still assembled here from foreign-made material. We've put ourselves into a position where we can't do anything inexpensively in this country anymore because even the part-time summer Dairy Queen employee is now entitled to free health care, college tuition, stock options and a retirement package (maybe slightly exaggerated).

 

Anyway, most people want cheap and could care less where the product was made, However, you can bet shit will hit the fan when the minimum wage hits $15 an hour and a Happy Meal at McDonald's bumps up to ten bucks. :nod:

You mean "profit effective", don't you? I hear from guys all the time that "they don't make those in America anymore", usually from the poor dupes that are behind the counter selling said shit. Then I tell them, yes you can, you just have to look. Example: There are places all around me that sell foreign made work boots and running shoes that will spout off that same line, and sell their Chinese/Vietnamese/Taiwanese stuff for the exact same price as the American/Union made Thoroughgood workboots and New Balance 993 running shoes that I buy all the time. Same goes for the Sears right down the road with their formerly American made Crapsman tools, (now made in China). "You can't get American made tools anywhere now!" Bullshit!, I say. Klein, Armstrong, Wright and many others still make them here. But you are right about consumers being cheap. They're also fools for believing every ignorant lie that they salesmen feed them. And there ARE American made leather jackets. You have to look for them, though. With the massive profits the greedy bastards are making off of China's slave labor (literally), they have a lot more to spend on advertising.
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You just have to be smarter than the profit-oriented PR that's being sold as fact.

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You just have to be smarter than the profit-oriented PR that's being sold as fact.

 

And there lies the problem. Most people only care about cost and don't care where it's made, let alone making any effort to buy American products. Unfortunately, there aren't that many real American products to choose from anymore. We've morphed from a productive-based society to a consumer-based society.

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Serve-us oriented, yes. Also, that comment about McD's $10 happy meals is going around as gospel, and it's not. Just read an article from and independent study on that this weekend. It spoke of how employee pay is a small percentage of total costs, and that the actual cost rise for one of McD's over-priced burgers would go up 20 cents. The talk of higher prices is from the same folks (stock holders) who don't want their juicy profits to be reduced. Per McD's, I also found out that they are using "canola oil" (I call it CON-ola oil), which is rape seed oil {no such thing as a canola, folks}, a toxic oil that has always been used for industrial lubrication. Unhealthy for animals and humans, it was proven unsafe for consumption over and over again, but was another FDA pay-off from the folks set to make millions off of selling it to the public. Sort of like aspartame, which was ok'd the day after Bush baby took office, due to one of the corporations head honchos (Don Rumsfeld) ushering it in, past all the scientist's and doctor's warnings and illegalities. It's been proven that the mad cow disease was started by feeding the cattle sheep remains, which were fed on apples that were deep fried in canola oil. As I said in a post before, there are things going on that you don't know, folks. Don't take MY word for it. Do the research and it will prove itself. Here's a good start- http://www.amazon.com/Seeds-Deception-Government-Genetically-Engineered/dp/0972966587#customerReviews

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And there lies the problem. Most people only care about cost and don't care where it's made, let alone making any effort to buy American products. Unfortunately, there aren't that many real American products to choose from anymore. We've morphed from a productive-based society to a consumer-based society.

That is changing. There was a recent survey indicating that more than 1/2 of those responding would pay more for US made good. If they would actually do so when it comes time to buy is a different question, but things are slightly getting better.

http://www.manufacturing.net/news/2014/10/survey-shows-growing-preference-for-made-in-usa

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Oops! Sorry. This is about jackets, but it's still about getting ripped off and lied to.

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With our so-called government fearing Russia or China might become more powerful and prosperous than us, another factor is that it is pumping billions into any country ANY poor country surrounding those 2 nations. I'm in the middle of reading Full Spectrum Dominance, a book that pretty much explains exactly what and how our 'foreign policy' is based on for the last 60 years or so, and it ain't pretty, nor is it good for any of us. Again, dig into it and tell yourself it's not happening. You won't. http://www.amazon.com/Full-Spectrum-Dominance-Totalitarian-Democracy/dp/398132630X

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Serve-us oriented, yes. Also, that comment about McD's $10 happy meals is going around as gospel, and it's not. Just read an article from and independent study on that this weekend. It spoke of how employee pay is a small percentage of total costs, and that the actual cost rise for one of McD's over-priced burgers would go up 20 cents. The talk of higher prices is from the same folks (stock holders) who don't want their juicy profits to be reduced. Per McD's, I also found out that they are using "canola oil" (I call it CON-ola oil), which is rape seed oil {no such thing as a canola, folks}, a toxic oil that has always been used for industrial lubrication. Unhealthy for animals and humans, it was proven unsafe for consumption over and over again, but was another FDA pay-off from the folks set to make millions off of selling it to the public. Sort of like aspartame, which was ok'd the day after Bush baby took office, due to one of the corporations head honchos (Don Rumsfeld) ushering it in, past all the scientist's and doctor's warnings and illegalities. It's been proven that the mad cow disease was started by feeding the cattle sheep remains, which were fed on apples that were deep fried in canola oil. As I said in a post before, there are things going on that you don't know, folks. Don't take MY word for it. Do the research and it will prove itself. Here's a good start- http://www.amazon.com/Seeds-Deception-Government-Genetically-Engineered/dp/0972966587#customerReviews

Dammit! I forgot my tinfoil hat at hone again. Dammit.

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