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"Gov. Jerry Brown just signed a law requiring that California health care providers be trained to better understand the specific health needs of the LGBT community."

 

Interesting.....I guess I didn't realize that before this monumental bill was passed, a gay guy with a broken leg underwent a different medical procedures than a straight guy.... Well, damn, it's a good thing ol' Governor Brown jumped all over this.....

 

Sorry, but this really has nothing to do with the quality of care LGBT's get.....it smacks of political posturing and vote pandering.

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This is similar to racism being used as a leveling device against those that don't agree with another's religion.

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did yall actually read the article? seems like there are some legit concerns that may need be considered. They actually pointed out some of the concerns this group may have vs. non LGBT individuals.

 

Not sure I think the legislature needed to get involved, however. Maybe send out some literature or send the LGBT liason to a Dr's convention or something would have sufficed. I don't see the link between this and racism. POV is a mofo..

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I read the article and the law he signed. I have lots of family members in the medical and health care fields which is over run by legislation demanding special services for all minorities, religions, races and subsets already covered. Straight patients have the exact same concerns and problems as listed in the article as the special interest groups but the special interest groups get laws written for them because of the bank rolled special interest groups. Forcing companies to take on additional overhead of training by law is ridiculous in my book and part of the reason why companies are leaving this state.

My racism remark was brought up because I see this in the same fashion as those that yell racism when it comes to religion separating two people. If I, as a Christian, have a problem with another person who is Jewish, I am accused of racism. Last I looked, Judaism was a religion not a race. Further, would the actions of the Jew against me be equal as racists acts? Neither are, in my opinion.

Sensitivity training is already going on. These patients are humans and no doctor, nurse, or health care professional worth their salt lets anything else stand in their way of taking care of them. Every person that steps into the care of physician, nurse, specialist, or HC professional should be treated as equal but no one should be forced by the government to do so. All that does is set up a false front and a condition of fear should the professional cross the individuals "personal" line of insult.

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Dam Maldev you got you shit together. :nod:

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thanks for clarifying the racist analogy. I have never thought of it that way. I think your analogy is over simplified though. I mean..if your problem with the Jewish person is because of their race, then it could be racist..and vice versa. If your problem is because they are Jewish, then that would be anti-Sementic? They don't have to be mutually exclusive conditions. In actuality, I don't think we see things all that differently?

 

I think we agree on the non-need to legislate the training. I, however, don't see a problem sending out a "hey, think about this" memo. While there are obviously more concerns straight and LBGT patients have in common, there appear to be some that are more common to the LGBT patients. kinda like sickle cell would be a larger concern to black patients or patients with a lineage to Sicily. I think the intent is just as much for educating the patient (via the professional) as much as educating the professional. I don't, however, pretend to know the actual intent of politicians...

 

We often like to assume that all things are always equal and people are always treated equally..that's not reality, in MY experience. YMMV with that one.

 

People often revel in our differences, be they racial, religious, political, choice of motorcycle, etc and we often further compartmentalize other by these differences.. We choose to turn these differences into disagreements. We then think that those who we disagree with are " insert your preferred derogatory term" and the downward spiral continues. Until we recognize that we have more important things in common and learn to tolerate each other (not to be confused with agree with, like, etc) then there really is no hope for true equality. The country's demographic is changing, minorities will be the majority soon. The major minority will also be different.. interesting times are a coming.

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Fuck California, they came trolling for more money this month, boosted our zero claims workmans comp to the new, lowest level of 13%. Nice effort on cutting spending California. Another beautiful thing your going to find out once you move any amount of money, into or out of your bank Oct 1st, the amount of government reporting is 25 hundred. They must fill out a form and send it to the IRS if you move more than 25 hundred dollars, nice new Oblabla legislation from his royal highnesses desk ! When does this nonsense ever stop ?

Seems we fought to make this country sovereign for less intrusion than this.

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I don't understand how a $200000 house here in the real La is $2.5M in Cali? How do you guys afford to live out there?

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thanks for clarifying the racist analogy. I have never thought of it that way. I think your analogy is over simplified though. I mean..if your problem with the Jewish person is because of their race, then it could be racist..and vice versa. If your problem is because they are Jewish, then that would be anti-Sementic? They don't have to be mutually exclusive conditions. In actuality, I don't think we see things all that differently?

 

I think we agree on the non-need to legislate the training. I, however, don't see a problem sending out a "hey, think about this" memo. While there are obviously more concerns straight and LBGT patients have in common, there appear to be some that are more common to the LGBT patients. kinda like sickle cell would be a larger concern to black patients or patients with a lineage to Sicily. I think the intent is just as much for educating the patient (via the professional) as much as educating the professional. I don't, however, pretend to know the actual intent of politicians...

 

We often like to assume that all things are always equal and people are always treated equally..that's not reality, in MY experience. YMMV with that one.

 

People often revel in our differences, be they racial, religious, political, choice of motorcycle, etc and we often further compartmentalize other by these differences.. We choose to turn these differences into disagreements. We then think that those who we disagree with are " insert your preferred derogatory term" and the downward spiral continues. Until we recognize that we have more important things in common and learn to tolerate each other (not to be confused with agree with, like, etc) then there really is no hope for true equality. The country's demographic is changing, minorities will be the majority soon. The major minority will also be different.. interesting times are a coming.

Homer,

I didn't mention the race of the Jewish person on purpose. My analogy could be said if the religion in question was Muslim. White, black, Asian, middle-eastern, all could be Jewish, Muslim, or whatever religion but that doesn't change their race. To many people play the race card or the minority card without consideration to what it really means. I don't think we see things that differently at all however I do make a more black and white divide between what is and what isn't considered racism and I extend that divide to what people claim are minority statuses.

For another example, people out here are branded as racist if they believe we should hold the borders and tighten immigration controls. In my opinion, that decision, to open or control the borders, never specified race either way. It simply requires citizenship or non-citizenship. I couldn't care if the person came from Mexico, China, Canada, Africa, Japan, or Europe. It's not as if the border patrol is just blocking Mexicans or Hondurans (which would still not be racism, I believe it would be nationalism (?) wherein we block people for their nationality.) The decision to slip through our borders and work and live undocumented has to do with your citizenship, not your race, creed, or gender.

I agree that we need to look towards our commonalities and celebrate our differences rather than the other way around. That said, being forced by the government isn't the way in which to do it nor is setting up any minority as the poster-child for the way "things should be". There are those that will take this new law and as a minority, use it against someone that simply crossed them in an ignorant manner. If people keep taking such quick umbrage that others don't recognize their individual minority status right off the bat, how are we ever going to be ourselves? I believe we need to stop creating statuses within our community that separate us further than we already are and I see this law and being a government exercise in creating an additional minority status and objectifying it.

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And Homer, I appreciate your discussion of this and beyond all, appreciate your words and you.

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And Homer, I appreciate your discussion of this and beyond all, appreciate your words and you.

racist!

haha.. back at you bro

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Homer,

I didn't mention the race of the Jewish person on purpose. My analogy could be said if the religion in question was Muslim. White, black, Asian, middle-eastern, all could be Jewish, Muslim, or whatever religion but that doesn't change their race. To many people play the race card or the minority card without consideration to what it really means. I don't think we see things that differently at all however I do make a more black and white divide between what is and what isn't considered racism and I extend that divide to what people claim are minority statuses.

For another example, people out here are branded as racist if they believe we should hold the borders and tighten immigration controls. In my opinion, that decision, to open or control the borders, never specified race either way. It simply requires citizenship or non-citizenship. I couldn't care if the person came from Mexico, China, Canada, Africa, Japan, or Europe. It's not as if the border patrol is just blocking Mexicans or Hondurans (which would still not be racism, I believe it would be nationalism (?) wherein we block people for their nationality.) The decision to slip through our borders and work and live undocumented has to do with your citizenship, not your race, creed, or gender.

I agree that we need to look towards our commonalities and celebrate our differences rather than the other way around. That said, being forced by the government isn't the way in which to do it nor is setting up any minority as the poster-child for the way "things should be". There are those that will take this new law and as a minority, use it against someone that simply crossed them in an ignorant manner. If people keep taking such quick umbrage that others don't recognize their individual minority status right off the bat, how are we ever going to be ourselves? I believe we need to stop creating statuses within our community that separate us further than we already are and I see this law and being a government exercise in creating an additional minority status and objectifying it.

yeah, the border thing is tricky and is another conversation. But specific to this conversation, most of the talk is about the Southern border common to Mexico and the coasts and Northern borders are widely left out, and in some cases, race is probably the main factor for wanting the borders closed. But then just because its racist, doesn't mean the end result is or isn't justified. There are other also others who want/need better immigration reform because of the economic factors and national security factors at play. The politicians have to take polarizing positions on the issue because that's what politicians do, and we all suffer. There are no easy solutions to the myriad of problems immigration presents. This will not be solved until we can look past D's and R's behind a politician's name and said politicians can do the same. This won't happen until we have term limits and get rid of career politicians...in other words, nothing will ever get resolved. As I've said before, I'm a protectionist. We are pretty self sufficient so close the borders and airports and let the world handle their own problems for a minute.

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I'm drunk btw..fresh in from my local watering hole.. just thought I'd share that..

lmao,,,, say it ain't so!

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The ultimate minority is the individual and until we get to treating people as individuals rather than the member of some group, we are going to have trouble. Progressives in general and liberals (not classical liberals, but modern day liberals) specifically love to put people in groups because it gives them power. It allows them to create friction between the groups to the advantage of those wielding the power. This type of political correctness bullshit is going to destroy this once great nation.

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The ultimate minority is the individual and until we get to treating people as individuals rather than the member of some group, we are going to have trouble. Progressives in general and liberals (not classical liberals, but modern day liberals) specifically love to put people in groups because it gives them power. It allows them to create friction between the groups to the advantage of those wielding the power. This type of political correctness bullshit is going to destroy this once great nation.

:I-Agree[1]: I don't want to be part of any group that would stoop so low as to have me as a member... :rauch08:

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