CHIEF DOC 99 Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 The blackbox vehicle issue seems trivial when compared to major issues. Disappearing carreers, fewer peeps working as jobs vanish, government obese with bureaucrats, forced unfunded mandates, geometric progression into unrepayable nationwide debt, out of control regulators, The country we love is slithering down a government created black hole of waste and debt burdens for upcoming generations to inherit. Nice day out today, though! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stu Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 I think we should look at the government shutdown as debt reduction.... 200,000 federal workers at 50 bucks an hour is $80,000,000 a day in savings... I know we got a long way to go... but if we keep it shut down for a year, or 270 days.... we save $21,600,000,000.... woohooo.......our debt is gone.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabRat Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 Unfortunately Stu, they will all get back pay, so we aren't saving shit. I wish we were, but nope. Also, word is that over 70% of federal employees are still on the job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHIEF DOC 99 Posted October 2, 2013 Author Share Posted October 2, 2013 SSSSSSSSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH Altogether way too many peeps work for the Government. Tax the FED! As VintageRider says... Be verrry carefull komrad! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabRat Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 Given that we pay the salaries for all government workers, we're paying their potion of taxes as well - so not only to we pay our taxes, we pay theirs. BTW, I'm sure I'm already on their 'list' 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stu Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 Unfortunately Stu, they will all get back pay, so we aren't saving shit. I wish we were, but nope. Also, word is that over 70% of federal employees are still on the job. Are you shitting me... this is just a vacation with delayed pay for them... unreal.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stu Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 Given that we pay the salaries for all government workers, we're paying their potion of taxes as well - so not only to we pay our taxes, we pay theirs. BTW, I'm sure I'm already on their 'list' Whoa.... never looked at it like that... I hate taxes, insurance and lawyers... not necessarily in that order.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabRat Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 Are you shitting me... this is just a vacation with delayed pay for them... unreal.... Afraid so - yes, this is paid vacation. Nearly all of the non-essential employees are unionized and union leaders are demanding back pay per their contracts. 1) They are entitled to collect unemployment: http://money.cnn.com/2013/10/01/news/economy/shutdown-federal-unemployment-benefits/index.html 2) Unions fighting for back pay: http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/09/30/Unions-Will-Demand-Back-Pay-if-Fed-Gov-t-Partially-Shuts-Down Whoa.... never looked at it like that... I hate taxes, insurance and lawyers... not necessarily in that order.... Sickening isn't it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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LabRat Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 Speaking of Obamacare and the shutdown - you guys see this? Boehner, that weezle needs to step down. http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/10/02/harry-reids-office-leaks-boehner-office-emails-and-it-could-ruin-any-faith-you-have-in-washington/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHIEF DOC 99 Posted October 2, 2013 Author Share Posted October 2, 2013 wow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LUCKY Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 Long as we pay our guys n gals in harms way right now. . .I hear tell they aren't getn hazardous duty or imminent danger pay. . . only base pay due to this stupidity. (I got my base pay this month, but since I'm home now steady, I can't speak to the extra pays) RS/ LUCKY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabRat Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 Pretty much sums it up. Let the revolution begin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabRat Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 Funding a standing army is one of the FEW things that the Feds do that is actually in the constitution and you guys should get paid regardless. Long as we pay our guys n gals in harms way right now. . .I hear tell they aren't getn hazardous duty or imminent danger pay. . . only base pay due to this stupidity.(I got my base pay this month, but since I'm home now steady, I can't speak to the extra pays)RS/LUCKY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colo.gw Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 you be the judge.. can not verify its true, but goes inline with all the other chit. If you do not have to sign up with Obamacare on their website PLEASE DON'T! Once you see the cost of premiums and yearly deductible and choose to opt out from that point they will within a few hours email you stating your actual fees in which now they will by any means collect.REAL EXAMPLE ---- Please Read & Please Forward ASAP!!!A comment posted on the Affordable Care Act/Obamacare FB page:"I actually made it through this morning at 8:00 A.M. I have a preexisting condition (Type 1 Diabetes) and my income base was 45K-55K annually I chose tier 2 "Silver Plan" and my monthly premiums came out to $597.00 with $13,988 yearly deductible!!! There is NO POSSIBLE way that I can afford this so I "opt-out" and chose to continue along with no insurance. I received an email tonight at 5:00 P.M. informing me that my fine would be $4,037 and could be attached to my yearly income tax return. Then you make it to the "REPERCUSSIONS PORTION" for "non-payment" of yearly fine. First, your drivers license will be suspended until paid, and if you go 24 consecutive months with "Non-Payment" and you happen to be a home owner, you will have a federal tax lien placed on your home. You can agree to give your bank information so that they can easy "Automatically withdraw" your "penalties" weekly, bi-weekly or monthly! This by no means is "Free" or even "Affordable." IMHO, the bottom line is that Obamacare will fail on it's own...or unless someone brings a good legal action before SCOTUS again. After the reading this morning, it is blatenly clear that not many people have or had a clue about the cost of this per individual. They are already starting to yell. Of course one can always opt out and pay the fine, which is reported to be $95...OR...1% of your gross, whichever is more. So...if you make $50k a year...puke up $500 and a lot of grief if you don't pay. It will get worse...: One other thing-it appears that while the actual cost of a plan is off the chart, one of the main issues is deductibles...often $5,000 and very much more. That of course means you have to spend that much FIRST, before your health insurance kicks in. This is not good. The penalties are not very high to begin with. In 2014, the fine to remain uninsured is $95 per person (up to a family maximum of $285, or 1 percent of family income, whichever is greater). But the penalty will increase more than sevenfold in the next two years, with the fine running as much as $695 per person by 2016. The family maximum would be as high as $2,085 (or 2.5 percent of family income, whichever is greater). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabRat Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 All I know is coverage for my wife and daughter went from $279 per month with a deductible of $3000 each to $454 per month with a deductible of $5500 each with no change in our medical status. F'n a-holes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toycar10 Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 If you have no job and live in government housing and pay for everything in food stamps then the penalties don't matter now do they. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tahoe Chief Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 If you have no job and live in government housing and pay for everything in food stamps then the penalties don't matter now do they. Not as long as you vote democrat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Te Heuheu Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 (edited) Beginning of the End. http://www.examiner.com/article/liberal-new-republic-suggests-obama-use-military-against-tea-party Liberal New Republic suggests Obama use military against Tea Party October 1, 2013 On Tuesday, the liberal New Republic published an article that was a not-so-subtle suggestion that Barack Obama use military force against the Tea Party in the same manner Boris Yeltsin used it against hardliners in his government nearly 20 years ago. "What is a president in a presidential constitutional republic to do when faced with an intransigent, bull-headed faction among his people's representatives?" Julia Ioffe wrote. She then gave a brief synopsis of the events that took place, saying Yeltsin faced a situation similar to what Obama now faces. "Almost exactly 20 years ago, he dissolved parliament. The vice president and the speaker of the parliament dissolved Yeltsin's presidency, and holed up with their supporters in the parliament's headquarters, now known as 'the White House,'" she said. "Then Yeltsin did this to it," she added immediately above a picture of a Russian armored vehicle in front of a flaming government building. Although Ioffe didn't explicitly say Obama should order the military to fire on members of the Tea Party, the implication was quite clear, and didn't go unnoticed by readers of the New Republic. "And liberals say there is no reason for Americans to own an AR-15," one reader said. "How far TNR has fallen," another reader commented. "Wow. The leftist authoritarians are really off the hook," added another reader. It's not the first time a member of the media has suggested Obama use the military against the small-government, pro-Constitution organization. In August 2011, Froma Harrup, the head of the Editorial Writer's Board, implied Obama use the military against the Tea Party. An editorial cartoon published by Arizona Daily Star cartoonist David Fitzsimmons that same month was not so subtle in its suggestion that Obama deploy Navy SEALs to assassinate Tea Party Republicans. Other liberals op-eds have suggested the same thing, while a columnist at the Washington Post agreed with a "longtime friend" that those responsible for this week's shutdown should be beheaded. It's almost enough to make one think liberals really do want a second, bloody civil war in America. Edited October 3, 2013 by Te Heuheu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scalper38 Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 Unfortunately Stu, they will all get back pay, so we aren't saving shit. I wish we were, but nope. Also, word is that over 70% of federal employees are still on the job. I heard this morning it is actually 81%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabRat Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 81% doesn't surprise me - didn't have accurate number and didn't want some lib calling me out for saying something like 80% when it's actually something like 79% - they do that you know and then use that to discredit you and change the subject Not that I've seen too many liberals here...yet. As to the New Republic - holy sit - the progressives are getting bold, that's for sure. While there is no reference to the US - the timing of the article certainly suggests what they want Ovomit to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airpirate Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 The Liberals will lose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkrider Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 Better get a revolution going before the chinease decide enough is enough. they own so much of our debt there is no way its going to get paid back except with land and blood. just a matter of time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabRat Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 Keep your powder dry and teach our young well. My 5yo enjoys our time in the back yard with her pink Daisy Red Ryder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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