Kenai Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 Anyone know if there been any word on a new Indian Calendar release at all. I haven't heard a thing. My old Indian 2010 calendar is getting pretty lame. Always tough to explain to the HD folks at work who visit my office how I have to keep them regularly updated. (clickety on image). Seriously. There are a number of low cost calender makers available on the web. Just add Pics, logos and text and we're off and running. simple low cost option. Maybe not as nice as our original printed calendars but it would be better than 4 paper clips and a new smaller calendar over the dates. How did we do the IMCF calendars previously? Was their a selection process like a vote for images submitted? I would be willing to lead that charge on a yearly IMCF Calendar where we coud once again publish IMCF member bikes every month and continue on with what we once had going. Anyone willing to share or help with ideas As I'm ready to move on it cause this just ain't makin it. Regards Kenai Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CKelly Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 I'll try and help you out. I kind of miss the calender also. Who knows maybe I can get one of my bikes in the calender. We have to many good looking bike not to have one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maldev Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 It's is all caught up in legal issues with Polaris as well as non-paymemt issues. Printing a calendar for your personal use is one thing. Printing up and selling a calendar using someone else's trademarks without permission is another. I had that permission when I was publishing the calendars. Polaris has not agreed to open that door again yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunters Friend Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 I don't know about the non payment issues or even what that refers to but can vouch for the trademark. Our design for IRIP was completely altered this year to be in compliance with Polaris' requirements. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenai Posted February 5, 2013 Author Share Posted February 5, 2013 (edited) Thanks M, CK &HF: That's kind of what I thought was going on. Couldn't we make up our very own IMCF Calendar w/o infringement to Polaris? There must be a way legally around that if we avoid the trigger words and meet Polaris requirements. Title it IMCF Calendar, or Iron Indian Calendar maybe something specific to the websites that avoids the specific Trademarks, Brands and Logos. Regards Kenai Edited February 5, 2013 by Kenai Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longrider Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 Iira calendar is a thought...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenai Posted February 5, 2013 Author Share Posted February 5, 2013 Or a Calendar title like Motorcycles of the IMCF or IIRA Calendar. Regards Kenai Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Last Resort Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 If life were only so simple 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickkciR Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 (edited) Here's a thought...... someone ( notice I'm delegating) take on the responsibility to compile the 12 pictures ( or more ) ... and go to a website that creates calendars. You can put it together .. and order yours . You can then post the link and anyone that wants one themselves, just orders it through the Calendar company utillizng the template, pics already uploaded etc. These would all be for personal use, and therefore getting around the copyright issues ( I took a single business law class; didn't get an "A" though) I've done this with Photo books.. I'm 99% sure you can do this with the Calendar idea. You lose a $ making opportunity, and the cost may be a notch higher... but.. problem solved? EX: http://photo.walgreens.com/walgreens/storepage/storePageId=Calendars+-+New Edited February 5, 2013 by rickkcir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Mark Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 It's is all caught up in legal issues with Polaris as well as non-paymemt issues. Printing a calendar for your personal use is one thing. Printing up and selling a calendar using someone else's trademarks without permission is another. I had that permission when I was publishing the calendars. Polaris has not agreed to open that door again yet. The ball is squarely in Polaris' court. Maldev and I have both contacted them multiple times, both via email and in person. Mark Moses has also contacted them on our behalf. We can do the calendar...that is not the issue. There are several layers of legal issues involved, and thus far they (i.e., Polaris) have shown very little in the way of trying to resolve those issues. We understand they are quite busy right now, but this is not rocket science. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunters Friend Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 No feathers, no arrows, must contain "Motorcycle" after the word Indian.... You know, I get trademark - I really do. In fact, I sued over it a couple years back for my own business. OTOH, it would be such an incredible marketing tool for their company to have a 3rd party promoting their product nationwide. Literally to have your product hanging in shops and offices across the nation at no cost to you is incalculable. Unless they are planning on making calendars themselves (doubtful) it makes no sense to not give the green light on this request. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CKelly Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 I'm starting to like Polaris even more now and you want us to do what for them......................Are you saying if I make a calender with Indian motorcycle on the pages I will be in trouble with Polaris. Even if it's pictures of just Gilroys? How if it's just pictures of my bikes and some friends? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkrider Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 could polaris maybe not be to motivated to approve a indian calender thats not gonna have their all new 2014 Indians in it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunters Friend Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 It has more to do with the name, script, and "likeness" IOW, if a person could reasonably walk into a shop and look at a calendar with an Indian motorcycle on it, as well as the next month, and the next month and so on and infer this was published by Polaris Indian - you could have some problems. Using the same example of said calendar but with random shots of motorcycles - Honda, Yamaha, Indian etc. and naming it Chuck's bike calendar - no problem. But then, who would want to buy that? No one Let's be honest, the name has intrinsic value and that is why it is important to them. Hell, think they are bad, take a look sometime what Sturgis does. They are 200 times worse and will sue the shit out of anyone claiming any affiliation with their event. Even small cities in other states. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkrider Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 could they sue if the name was intentially mispelled? say like "Indien Motorcycles"? or like.... "Indeean Motorcycles"? lol!!! ok. bad attempt at humor there. I'm off to next thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenai Posted February 5, 2013 Author Share Posted February 5, 2013 I have to believe its both. Polaris will likely want brand TM control and would also only have interested in displaying their Indian motorcylces as produced. There is always a number of Harley Davidson Motorcycle Calenders made up with not one Offical HD logo on them selling at the local book stores. There typically titled American V Twins or something similiar avoiding the HD trademark infringement. Just so I know where we are at, the current thought of making up a separate IIRA or IMCF Motorcycle Calendar wth no Infringing TM's via a website calendar maker with our own images and graphics that meet the non infringement criteria is not a good idea at this time? Regards Kenai Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maldev Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 gents and Ladies, The trademark is not limited to the Indian Motorcycle name. I own Indian Legacy and there's not a problem with that. All of you need to pick up the last Indian Legacy calendar and read the fine print on the back pages. Trademarks also include the script, the warbonnet, the Indian head...all those things on the Indian Motorcycles themselves. The calendars that include HD motorcycles pay HD to have their trademarks in those calendars. A lot of research went into this years ago when the calendars started. In fact, right after The World's Fastest Indian, the agreement on the calendars was the second piece of business Kings Mountain signed off on. There's also the copyright on the photography and the legal protection of such. I recently shutdown a dipshit on eBay that was selling my photography as window stickers and gum ball slide decals. Polaris may also not wish to be associated with the IIRA or this forum in a business venture. Securing those trademarks as well is more time and money. As I had it set, we had a charity that was being benefitted and I took no enrichment from the enterprise. Zero. None. That's how I got the deal through Indian and managed to secure their permission on their trademarks. This was a charity piece. That is completely different from attempting to make money off their marks. you can do personal calendars such as what Rick suggested. They are of very poor quality paper and printing as compared to what Indian legacy calendars are and when you order them in short batches, you will be surprised how little money you will recover. Printing a large number in bulk drops the cost a lot. Also, at any point, Indian can shut you down, request all your product, any profits and sue for damages. This company runs slowly. Very slowly and I have not been able to get a hold of a single person to settle their accounts nor give me definitive permission to move forward. If you want to see a calendar move forward again, write Polaris. Call Polaris. Request that they allow me to move forward with the calendar and we'll get working on it. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunters Friend Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 Consider it done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Mark Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 This company runs slowly. Very slowly and I have not been able to get a hold of a single person to settle their accounts nor give me definitive permission to move forward. If you want to see a calendar move forward again, write Polaris. Call Polaris. Request that they allow me to move forward with the calendar and we'll get working on it. Part of the issue (hell, maybe the WHOLE issue...) is that we are dealing with a huge multinational now, and not a small company. Before, we could call the main office in North Carolina, and get an answer, approval for something, or even a check...within a few days or a week. As it stands now, no one at Polaris/Indian seems to know who to get to approve what we want/need approved. Either that or no one will take responsibility for it... i.e. "Not my department" I have no doubt that when the new bikes come out, they will be engineered to the nth degree. They will likely be very reliable, and the cost will likely be much more affordable. Hopefully, they'll even be nice to look at. The human touch part of being a motorcycle company, however...well, they need a lot of work on that. It's a business, I understand that. But good PR is part of the business. So far.... well... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stu Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 Does Polaris get any royalties from this website??? Couldn't the calendar just be the Indian Motocycle Community calendar using the same logos and such as used here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickkciR Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 This company runs slowly. Very slowly and I have not been able to get a hold of a single person to settle their accounts nor give me definitive permission to move forward. If you want to see a calendar move forward again, write Polaris. Call Polaris. Request that they allow me to move forward with the calendar and we'll get working on it. Maldev.. side note.. trying to order old calendars and posters.. but .. site doesn't seem to be working? No 'checkout' button/option that I see? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maldev Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 Does Polaris get any royalties from this website??? Couldn't the calendar just be the Indian Motocycle Community calendar using the same logos and such as used here? No one gets ANY money from this website. And again, it is also the subject matter of the photos that is part of the trademark. Also, use of the trademarks for this site would have to be checked for useage and the original artists would have to be paid/cleared etc. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maldev Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 Maldev.. side note.. trying to order old calendars and posters.. but .. site doesn't seem to be working? No 'checkout' button/option that I see? Sent you a PM. no orders in a while so the site may have gone to sleep on us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHIEF DOC 99 Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 A Polaris calender would have to feature American Picker Mike and some Springfield Iron. Gilroy and KM models need not apply... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunters Friend Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 Agree with Dr. Mark on this one. They have to receive no less than 20 inquiries a day on use of their trademark. I remember Erin Tracy telling me they literally needed a 2nd person just to answer the calls from everything covering patches to movie rights. It's a popular brand and it's unique. If you look closely at the design I have for this years rally, you will see the true Indian script is in the details. Just for that font I dropped $52 so even that is also marketable as well. http://www.letterheadfonts.com/fonts/indianscript.php 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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