Last Resort Posted December 16, 2010 Share Posted December 16, 2010 The last three weeks I have traveled about, taking the pulse of the more forgotten areas of central California. I wanted to witness, even if superficially, what is happening to a state that has the highest sales and income taxes, the most lavish entitlements, the near-worst public schools (based on federal test scores), and the largest number of illegal aliens in the nation, along with an overregulated private sector, a stagnant and shrinking manufacturing base, and an elite environmental ethos that restricts commerce and productivity without curbing consumption. To read the entire article Click Here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnQ Posted December 16, 2010 Share Posted December 16, 2010 (edited) Excellent artical ... or .. Opinion! Thank You for posting! I must disagree with one statement though, it's been far longer than the past 20 years that this has been going on! I saw it as a child growing up in central California 40 plus years ago. True that it has only gotten worse and will continue to do so. You see, here in California, it far easier for Governments at all levels to simply do nothing than it is to fight the Liberals that screem the loudest! There may be a law or an ordiance designed to prevent the type of "housing" described by the author or to prevent food trucks from setting up shop beside the road, but, if law enforcement attempts to do something to enforce the law, suddenly we are "prejudice" against that race of people and suddenly there is a court battle! Don't get me wrong! I am not against people of any race or color imigrating here looking for a better life. BUT, I do expect ALL people to come here LEGALLY with-in our laws, to work and not mooch off the people already here and I expect them to be respectful of our laws, to learn and speak our language (english)and be productive citizens! We already have way to many people born here that are mooching off the working class that we still need to do something about!! And most importantly .... I expect them to wave our flag! Not the flag of the country they left behind!! Yes, you can be proud of your heritage! We all should be! But once you are here because you are searching for a better life, a life you know you can find in the United States of America, then I would think you would be more proud of the country that gave you the RIGHT to become the person you were searching to be! Yes it is true! California was once the second largest economy in the world! A state! Not a country, but, a state! Through the years we have done more to chase off the business and farming that made California what it once was in an attempt to do "right" for the people of lesser means. Taxing business to the point where they can no longer survive in order to provide funds for those of lesser means. Taxing the working class to the same point. Passing laws that make us feel good for what we are doing for the poor when in reality we should be passing laws that create jobs for the poor! PUT THEM TO WORK! Make it easy for a business to stay in business! Make it easy for a business to expand and provide jobs for the unemployed! Instead, if a business is sucessful .... tax the hell out of'em so we can fund our social programs! I call BULLSHIT on those people who agree with that line of thought! You CANNOT give money to people who haven't worked for it and expect them to do the right thing with the money! And that includes our government! We have an enviromental community here that has no clue as to where thier products come from. From the cotton Levis and shirts they wear to the homes they build to live in! From the food they eat to the SUV's they drive! We pass laws that deprive farm lands of the water they need to grow the food we eat and the cotton we wear in an attempt to preserve a 3" long smelt (minnow). We have stopped managing our forests for logging to preserve the spotted owl (which they found living in oak tress in the valley). We have gone as far as to control when a farmer can plow his field due to possible dust! (After all, he may pollute the air!!) We are even worried about the methane gas created by cows farting! I'M SERIOUS!! That's enough. I'll shut up now! Sorry for the rant! Edited December 16, 2010 by JohnQ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maninbox Posted December 16, 2010 Share Posted December 16, 2010 Great article. Hard to refute. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tahoe Chief Posted December 17, 2010 Share Posted December 17, 2010 Excellent artical ... or .. Opinion! Thank You for posting! I must disagree with one statement though, it's been far longer than the past 20 years that this has been going on! I saw it as a child growing up in central California 40 plus years ago. True that it has only gotten worse and will continue to do so. You see, here in California, it far easier for Governments at all levels to simply do nothing than it is to fight the Liberals that screem the loudest! There may be a law or an ordiance designed to prevent the type of "housing" described by the author or to prevent food trucks from setting up shop beside the road, but, if law enforcement attempts to do something to enforce the law, suddenly we are "prejudice" against that race of people and suddenly there is a court battle! Don't get me wrong! I am not against people of any race or color imigrating here looking for a better life. BUT, I do expect ALL people to come here LEGALLY with-in our laws, to work and not mooch off the people already here and I expect them to be respectful of our laws, to learn and speak our language (english)and be productive citizens! We already have way to many people born here that are mooching off the working class that we still need to do something about!! And most importantly .... I expect them to wave our flag! Not the flag of the country they left behind!! Yes, you can be proud of your heritage! We all should be! But once you are here because you are searching for a better life, a life you know you can find in the United States of America, then I would think you would be more proud of the country that gave you the RIGHT to become the person you were searching to be! Yes it is true! California was once the second largest economy in the world! A state! Not a country, but, a state! Through the years we have done more to chase off the business and farming that made California what it once was in an attempt to do "right" for the people of lesser means. Taxing business to the point where they can no longer survive in order to provide funds for those of lesser means. Taxing the working class to the same point. Passing laws that make us feel good for what we are doing for the poor when in reality we should be passing laws that create jobs for the poor! PUT THEM TO WORK! Make it easy for a business to stay in business! Make it easy for a business to expand and provide jobs for the unemployed! Instead, if a business is sucessful .... tax the hell out of'em so we can fund our social programs! I call BULLSHIT on those people who agree with that line of thought! You CANNOT give money to people who haven't worked for it and expect them to do the right thing with the money! And that includes our government! We have an enviromental community here that has no clue as to where thier products come from. From the cotton Levis and shirts they wear to the homes they build to live in! From the food they eat to the SUV's they drive! We pass laws that deprive farm lands of the water they need to grow the food we eat and the cotton we wear in an attempt to preserve a 3" long smelt (minnow). We have stopped managing our forests for logging to preserve the spotted owl (which they found living in oak tress in the valley). We have gone as far as to control when a farmer can plow his field due to possible dust! (After all, he may pollute the air!!) We are even worried about the methane gas created by cows farting! I'M SERIOUS!! That's enough. I'll shut up now! Sorry for the rant! Don't know how I coulda said it better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indian terry Posted December 17, 2010 Share Posted December 17, 2010 Hey I'm pretty mechanical --i bet i could make a shit-load of money by inventing a catalytic converter to stuff up cow asses or even the liberal asses---I'm heading out to the shop to put my skills to work right now---any 1 know a politician to write a bill to get these mandated across the state ? --Ill need a grant for research maybe-- Boxer and Feinstein can help pass a law 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Loco Posted December 17, 2010 Share Posted December 17, 2010 Hey I'm pretty mechanical --i bet i could make a shit-load of money by inventing a catalytic converter to stuff up cow asses or even the liberal asses---I'm heading out to the shop to put my skills to work right now---any 1 know a politician to write a bill to get these mandated across the state ? --Ill need a grant for research maybe-- Boxer and Feinstein can help pass a law Clone new species that don't pass gas? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harleynot Posted December 19, 2010 Share Posted December 19, 2010 (edited) That's enough. I'll shut up now! Sorry for the rant! thanks JohnQ.. ..another common sense approach.. In 2007, Missouri placed on the ballot a proposed constitutional amendment designating English as the official language of Missouri. In November, 2008, nearly 90% voting in favor! Thus English became the official language for ALL governmental activity In Missouri. No individual has the right to demand government services in a language OTHER than English. In 2008 a measure was passed that required the Missouri Highway Patrol and other law enforcement officials to verify the immigration status of any person arrested, and inform federal authorities if the person is found to be in Missouri illegally. Missouri law enforcement offices receive specific training with respect to enforcement of federal immigration laws. In Missouri, illegal immigrants do NOT have access to taxpayers benefits such as food stamps and health care through Missouri HealthNET. In 2009 a measure was passed that ensures Missouri's public institutions of higher education to NOT award financial aid to individuals who are illegally in the United States. In Missouri all post-secondary institutions of higher education to annually certify to the Missouri Dept. of Higher Education that they have NOT knowingly awarded financial aid to students who are unlawfully present in the United States. So while Arizona has made national news for its new law, it is important to remember, Missouri has been far more proactive in addressing this horrific problem. Missouri has made it clear that illegal immigrants are NOT welcome in the state and they will certainly NOT receive public benefits at the expense of Missouri taxpayers. Here is the link to confirm: Be sure to read the readers comments too. http://www.ozarkssentinel.com/missouri-ahead-of-the-game-in-dealing-with-illegal-immigrants-p1034.htm Taken from: "The Ozarks Sentinel" Editorial - Nita Jane Ayres, May 13, 2010 Edited December 19, 2010 by HARLEYNOT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mochief Posted December 19, 2010 Share Posted December 19, 2010 thanks JohnQ.. ..another common sense approach.. In 2007, Missouri placed on the ballot a proposed constitutional amendment designating English as the official language of Missouri. In November, 2008, nearly 90% voting in favor! Thus English became the official language for ALL governmental activity In Missouri. No individual has the right to demand government services in a language OTHER than English. In 2008 a measure was passed that required the Missouri Highway Patrol and other law enforcement officials to verify the immigration status of any person arrested, and inform federal authorities if the person is found to be in Missouri illegally. Missouri law enforcement offices receive specific training with respect to enforcement of federal immigration laws. In Missouri, illegal immigrants do NOT have access to taxpayers benefits such as food stamps and health care through Missouri HealthNET. In 2009 a measure was passed that ensures Missouri's public institutions of higher education to NOT award financial aid to individuals who are illegally in the United States. In Missouri all post-secondary institutions of higher education to annually certify to the Missouri Dept. of Higher Education that they have NOT knowingly awarded financial aid to students who are unlawfully present in the United States. So while Arizona has made national news for its new law, it is important to remember, Missouri has been far more proactive in addressing this horrific problem. Missouri has made it clear that illegal immigrants are NOT welcome in the state and they will certainly NOT receive public benefits at the expense of Missouri taxpayers. Here is the link to confirm: Be sure to read the readers comments too. http://www.ozarkssentinel.com/missouri-ahead-of-the-game-in-dealing-with-illegal-immigrants-p1034.htm Taken from: "The Ozarks Sentinel" Editorial - Nita Jane Ayres, May 13, 2010 That's the way we roll here in flyover land!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hasbin Posted December 19, 2010 Share Posted December 19, 2010 (edited) thanks JohnQ.. ..another common sense approach.. In 2007, Missouri placed on the ballot a proposed constitutional amendment designating English as the official language of Missouri. In November, 2008, nearly 90% voting in favor! Thus English became the official language for ALL governmental activity In Missouri. No individual has the right to demand government services in a language OTHER than English. In 2008 a measure was passed that required the Missouri Highway Patrol and other law enforcement officials to verify the immigration status of any person arrested, and inform federal authorities if the person is found to be in Missouri illegally. Missouri law enforcement offices receive specific training with respect to enforcement of federal immigration laws. In Missouri, illegal immigrants do NOT have access to taxpayers benefits such as food stamps and health care through Missouri HealthNET. In 2009 a measure was passed that ensures Missouri's public institutions of higher education to NOT award financial aid to individuals who are illegally in the United States. In Missouri all post-secondary institutions of higher education to annually certify to the Missouri Dept. of Higher Education that they have NOT knowingly awarded financial aid to students who are unlawfully present in the United States. So while Arizona has made national news for its new law, it is important to remember, Missouri has been far more proactive in addressing this horrific problem. Missouri has made it clear that illegal immigrants are NOT welcome in the state and they will certainly NOT receive public benefits at the expense of Missouri taxpayers. Here is the link to confirm: Be sure to read the readers comments too. http://www.ozarkssentinel.com/missouri-ahead-of-the-game-in-dealing-with-illegal-immigrants-p1034.htm Taken from: "The Ozarks Sentinel" Editorial - Nita Jane Ayres, May 13, 2010 Would "Institutions of higher learning" be middle school in Missouri...... Just askin Edited December 19, 2010 by hasbin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Last Resort Posted December 19, 2010 Author Share Posted December 19, 2010 thanks JohnQ.. ..another common sense approach.. In 2007, Missouri placed on the ballot a proposed constitutional amendment designating English as the official language of Missouri. In November, 2008, nearly 90% voting in favor! Thus English became the official language for ALL governmental activity In Missouri. No individual has the right to demand government services in a language OTHER than English. In 2008 a measure was passed that required the Missouri Highway Patrol and other law enforcement officials to verify the immigration status of any person arrested, and inform federal authorities if the person is found to be in Missouri illegally. Missouri law enforcement offices receive specific training with respect to enforcement of federal immigration laws. In Missouri, illegal immigrants do NOT have access to taxpayers benefits such as food stamps and health care through Missouri HealthNET. In 2009 a measure was passed that ensures Missouri's public institutions of higher education to NOT award financial aid to individuals who are illegally in the United States. In Missouri all post-secondary institutions of higher education to annually certify to the Missouri Dept. of Higher Education that they have NOT knowingly awarded financial aid to students who are unlawfully present in the United States. So while Arizona has made national news for its new law, it is important to remember, Missouri has been far more proactive in addressing this horrific problem. Missouri has made it clear that illegal immigrants are NOT welcome in the state and they will certainly NOT receive public benefits at the expense of Missouri taxpayers. Here is the link to confirm: Be sure to read the readers comments too. http://www.ozarkssentinel.com/missouri-ahead-of-the-game-in-dealing-with-illegal-immigrants-p1034.htm Taken from: "The Ozarks Sentinel" Editorial - Nita Jane Ayres, May 13, 2010 If you dig into it California has similar laws on the books. But you can have all the laws you want on the books ... don't mean shit when they are not enforced. The official language of California has been English since the passage of Proposition 63 in 1986. However, many state, city, and local government agencies still continue to illegally print official public documents in numerous languages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Loco Posted December 20, 2010 Share Posted December 20, 2010 So;./ ...who's the gobenour? Need to pass a law stating the other laws must be enforced under penalty of yada yada etcetera adinfinutm and so on... Effective Immediately Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harleynot Posted December 20, 2010 Share Posted December 20, 2010 So;./ ...who's the gobenour? Need to pass a law stating the other laws must be enforced under penalty of yada yada etcetera adinfinutm and so on... Effective Immediately ...except for the fact that our governor has a tough time with english himself.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Loco Posted December 20, 2010 Share Posted December 20, 2010 ...except for the fact that our governor has a tough time with english himself.. En Espan~ol por favor, Mi Amigo Steven... Gracias? De Nada Compadre... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Last Resort Posted December 20, 2010 Author Share Posted December 20, 2010 Steve is talking about the current seated clown ... Arnold But the mind trust of CA just elected the guy who set CA on the rails to the death spiral its in ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Loco Posted December 20, 2010 Share Posted December 20, 2010 Steve is talking about the current seated clown ... Arnold But the mind trust of CA just elected the guy who set CA on the rails to the death spiral its in ... That's what we all need - an unexportable job! An Export-proof job trumps a recession-proof job any day... Seen a lotta "recession proof jobs" exported nowadays - great for somebody else's economy! Who dug up Jerry Brown's worthless carcass for this campaign? Better yet - Who would vote for this cadaver? Will he complete his "vision for Cal's Future" do you think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mochief Posted December 20, 2010 Share Posted December 20, 2010 Would "Institutions of higher learning" be middle school in Missouri...... Just askin hey now!! At least we can read, and enforce the laws we have on the books! uh, ok, most of them.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harleynot Posted December 21, 2010 Share Posted December 21, 2010 (edited) Steve is talking about the current seated clown ... Arnold But the mind trust of CA just elected the guy who set CA on the rails to the death spiral its in ... that's very funny Mike, you made me chuckle....I hope the rest of the country understands that California leads the Nation in all trends...."FACT" SO...... to my Minnehaha " associates.....JESSE VENTURA in 2010.....& to quote the great orator of my time..The Joker.. ...this country needs an enema.....Palin in 2012...we already got the black President out of the way...let's get the chick President taken care of next....then I can relax........in Belize..... Edited December 21, 2010 by HARLEYNOT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Loco Posted December 21, 2010 Share Posted December 21, 2010 that's very funny Mike, you made me chuckle....I hope the rest of the country understands that California leads the Nation in all trends...."FACT" SO...... to my Minnehaha " associates.....JESSE VENTURA in 2010.....& to quote the great orator of my time..The Joker.. ...this country needs an enema.....Palin in 2012...we already got the black President out of the way...let's get the chick President taken care of next....then I can relax........in Belize..... Steve, why so serious??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harleynot Posted December 22, 2010 Share Posted December 22, 2010 (edited) Steve, why so serious??? ....T.U.I... Edited December 22, 2010 by HARLEYNOT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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