The End Is Near...

[Blackdog]

Barry's Emergency Control Bill

[MOE]

Barry's Emergency Control Bill

anyone who thinks obama is merely a socialist is a fucking idiot.FACT

[ybkgd]

anyone who thinks obama is merely a socialist is a fucking idiot.FACT

 

 

Smug FUCKER, I just wanna kick his ass...there you go, I said it, anyone else agree?

I'm sure if he and I were school mates back in the day that I would have been rolling him everyday just for shiggles AND his lunch $$

Edited August 28, 2009 by ybkgd

[ybkgd]

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Edited August 28, 2009 by ybkgd

[Fugdbdt]

Oh come on....

 

What is Obama going to do?

 

Take our guns and then cut off communications?

 

Why would he need to do that............?

 

Thanx, D

[Fugdbdt]

http://hotairpundit.blogspot.com/2009/08/marine-corp-veteran-at-town-hall.html

 

A retired USMC tells it like it is.........

 

Thanx, D

[TitanChief]

Orwell has got to be rolling in his grave...Yes he was British, but he called it in all of his books..."1984" is certainly more prophetic than anything Nosteradameus said.

[TitanChief]

anyone who thinks obama is merely a socialist is a fucking idiot.FACT

 

 

Such a fine line between Socalist and Fascist, really...after all,the Gnatzees were a Socialist party...

[Vintage229]

Oh C'mon guys. Get off the Obama-paranoia bandwagon. Geeze. It clearly states that this is for emergency situations. The purpose of the bill is not any different than the government overseeing any other resource during a national crisis (electric, water, etc.).

 

"To be very clear, the Rockefeller-Snowe bill will not empower a"government shutdown or takeover of the Internet" and any suggestion otherwise is misleading and false. The purpose of this language is to clarify how the president directs the public-private response to a crisis, secure our economy and safeguard our financial networks,protect the American people, their privacy and civil liberties, and coordinate the government's response."

 

Much like Al Qa'ida is looking to do us harm there ARE other security fronts we (the U.S.) have to contend with. And yes, one of them being Cybersecurity. (Maybe some of you folks have heard of the Chinese? Yeah, they really exist. It's not just a place to order carry-out. ) It IS real, it IS happening, and it DOES have the attention of the NSC and DNI. Don't believe me? Read the DNI's congressional testimony to the Senate Arms Service Committee from March/2009. Just skip down to the bottom of page 38. You'll see the header. http://www.dni.gov/t...0_testimony.pdf

 

And seeing as how the report is available on the internet rest assured it's a watered down report. (i.e. no specifics.)

Edited August 30, 2009 by Vintage229

[Mickdanewf]

A bit like Bush/Cheney modifyin your constitution and droppin outta the Geneva convention....

[RCH]

What Have We Done??? Edited September 5, 2009 by RCH

[Last Resort]

A bit like Bush/Cheney modifyin your constitution and droppin outta the Geneva convention....

 

Really? When did that happen?

Ever read the Geneva convention?

[indian T]

What Have We Done???

 

Whatchoo mean, WE?

[RCH]

Whatchoo mean, WE?

You know, the Royal We!

[TitanChief]

Oh C'mon guys. Get off the Obama-paranoia bandwagon. Geeze. It clearly states that this is for emergency situations. The purpose of the bill is not any different than the government overseeing any other resource during a national crisis (electric, water, etc.).

 

"To be very clear, the Rockefeller-Snowe bill will not empower a"government shutdown or takeover of the Internet" and any suggestion otherwise is misleading and false. The purpose of this language is to clarify how the president directs the public-private response to a crisis, secure our economy and safeguard our financial networks,protect the American people, their privacy and civil liberties, and coordinate the government's response."

 

Much like Al Qa'ida is looking to do us harm there ARE other security fronts we (the U.S.) have to contend with. And yes, one of them being Cybersecurity. (Maybe some of you folks have heard of the Chinese? Yeah, they really exist. It's not just a place to order carry-out. ) It IS real, it IS happening, and it DOES have the attention of the NSC and DNI. Don't believe me? Read the DNI's congressional testimony to the Senate Arms Service Committee from March/2009. Just skip down to the bottom of page 38. You'll see the header. http://www.dni.gov/t...0_testimony.pdf

 

And seeing as how the report is available on the internet rest assured it's a watered down report. (i.e. no specifics.)

 

 

tThe current President wouldn't now how to protect the American public, so what's the point? The current American President is a socialist, elitist pussy that wants to emulate europe and kisses Hugo Chavez's ass. He's friggine Welcome the Fascist liberators.

fuck obama.

[Mickdanewf]

Really? When did that happen?

Ever read the Geneva convention?

 

Yipp Mike...I peruse it every now and then...but also I read both sides of any issue and then draw an opinion...but of course any additional info for the later taken......come on fellas lets admit...just a little...that the last administration were fkin unreal.

 

Unfortunately this one one is to the other extreme...still fkin unreal.

 

I aint a US citizen so prolly it may be said i dont have an opinion....but I realize the "clout" and "leaders of the free world".the US...have and should be accountable for decisions taken....they will affect me somehow down the line.

 

Anyway...fkit....not a good place to discuss it...prolly lay down the current events for a while....fkin depressing!

 

Ride safe....just got back from a 4 day rally... 22thou bikes...biggest in eastern canada....come on up and join us next year! Wharf Rat Rally..Digby NS

 

M

[Last Resort]

Yipp Mike...I peruse it every now and then...but also I read both sides of any issue and then draw an opinion...but of course any additional info for the later taken......come on fellas lets admit...just a little...that the last administration were fkin unreal.

 

Unfortunately this one one is to the other extreme...still fkin unreal.

 

I aint a US citizen so prolly it may be said i dont have an opinion....but I realize the "clout" and "leaders of the free world".the US...have and should be accountable for decisions taken....they will affect me somehow down the line.

 

Anyway...fkit....not a good place to discuss it...prolly lay down the current events for a while....fkin depressing!

 

Ride safe....just got back from a 4 day rally... 22thou bikes...biggest in eastern canada....come on up and join us next year! Wharf Rat Rally..Digby NS

 

M

 

 

Please expand on "droppin outta the Geneva convention"

When did that happen?

[Moon Killer]

Yipp Mike...I peruse it every now and then...but also I read both sides of any issue and then draw an opinion...but of course any additional info for the later taken......come on fellas lets admit...just a little...that the last administration were fkin unreal.

 

Unfortunately this one one is to the other extreme...still fkin unreal.

 

I aint a US citizen so prolly it may be said i dont have an opinion....but I realize the "clout" and "leaders of the free world".the US...have and should be accountable for decisions taken....they will affect me somehow down the line.

 

Anyway...fkit....not a good place to discuss it...prolly lay down the current events for a while....fkin depressing!

 

Ride safe....just got back from a 4 day rally... 22thou bikes...biggest in eastern canada....come on up and join us next year! Wharf Rat Rally..Digby NS

 

M

 

I wish the "last" administration was still in office.

[Mickdanewf]

Please expand on "droppin outta the Geneva convention"

When did that happen?

 

Hey Mike,

I will attempt to be very brief......

let it be understood as well that all further info on an issue as this,from all appreciated thus a "pissin match" not achieved nor attempted.

Also....O.B.laden should have been taken care of prior to 911, descrietly, and this topic would be non existent and we could all still f_kin drink on planes.Flip floping be Clinton and Early Bush Admin to blame for this.

 

OK...Terrorist....1 fkin touchy subject.Agree?

Post 911....serious scurrying due to the the unbelievable act!

 

here Goes

Cheney via top secret and high level negotiations decided to have written a memo that would give the president of the US unlimited power to decide who

(terrorist)could and would be tried via military tribunal. All top lawyers (CIA) were supposed to be involved, Michael Cheroff(head of Justice Dept legal) John Bellinger III(National Security legal Adviser and Deputy White house Councel)John Ashcroft (Attorney general) + Colin Powell(Chairman Joint chiefs)....but it being that on Nov6/01...David Addinton( Legal advisor to Cheney....along with Cheney)..short circuited the above and US Courts and drafted a memo for Bush to sign... giving him (Bush) unlimited (total) power to 1.Try and execute all or any suspected terrorist both away and within the US and or a US citizen.2. Eavesdrop on all US Citizens.3. Install Marshal Laws and Curfews....and a shit load more serious F_kin Stuff like Cheney mentioned two days later via a national televised speech...I quote.."Terror Suspects were not automatically entitled to receive the protections of the Geneva Convention or the rights that laws of war accord (Lawful combatants). Enraged above top brass split this administration in the last years...Colin Powell resigned in discust.

Mike...this convention is for a reason man....to keep us human...A little history....George Washington refused to treat British Soldiers with the same discusting..even in those times... and dispicable inhuman way that Continental soldiers were treated. These orders were to become the backbone of Military Doctrine of the USA until 2001.

The British treated these soldiers in the same way as Cheney has endorsed ("Unlawfull combatants")

 

Now...lets get something fully clarified....I have no f_kin soft spots for any of those rag headed f_kers that enflict their cowardaces on any nation..any..we have Canadian soldiers pretty well daily arriving home in caskets also.

 

But I do have a soft spot for Democracy, Rules, Constitutions, laws and human rights and the good for the common people....when you read, listen and acknowledge the shit that went and goes on...it becomes a little concerning...if not for me...for my kids.

I can only suggest that a couple of books ive read to combat the CNN predjudices and propagantic views be perused. 1. The Dark Side by Jane Mayer 2. Blackwater

by Jeremy Scahill 3.The Shock Doctrine by Naomi Klien and 4.The Enemy Whithin by Terry Crowdy. I of course take these reads with a "grain of salt" but it does give spectulation to the inner dealing of High government and the likes.

I am at present giving these reads a rest and adhereing to the old Chineese prverb..."Anything you dont know wont hurt you".

The US and its citizens are good people man...ive met.worked, and partied with many but if its allowed that administrations lower the country and its people to barbaric and inhumane treatments to Garner oil and fatten pockets of the ones running the country....its only hurting the people in the long run and fostering hatreds by all others looking in.

 

My 20 cents worth...Appologies for the winded reply and I think I will, in the future,steer clear of political chat back on a motorcycle forum and keep any views home.Unfortunately there are many on here that see it one way and one way only....not me!

 

Stay safe and all the best to all! Mick

 

Oh yeah...that rally I mentioned earlier....I drove the only Indian there man.....1 in 22000....Come on up next year all and shock the fk outta em!

Edited September 9, 2009 by Mickdanewf

[RCH]

Hey Mike,

I will attempt to be very brief......

let it be understood as well that all further info on an issue as this,from all appreciated thus a "pissin match" not achieved nor attempted.

Also....O.B.laden should have been taken care of prior to 911, descrietly, and this topic would be non existent and we could all still f_kin drink on planes.Flip floping be Clinton and Early Bush Admin to blame for this.

 

OK...Terrorist....1 fkin touchy subject.Agree?

Post 911....serious scurrying due to the the unbelievable act!

 

here Goes

Cheney via top secret and high level negotiations decided to have written a memo that would give the president of the US unlimited power to decide who

(terrorist)could and would be tried via military tribunal. All top lawyers (CIA) were supposed to be involved, Michael Cheroff(head of Justice Dept legal) John Bellinger III(National Security legal Adviser and Deputy White house Councel)John Ashcroft (Attorney general) + Colin Powell(Chairman Joint chiefs)....but it being that on Nov6/01...David Addinton( Legal advisor to Cheney....along with Cheney)..short circuited the above and US Courts and drafted a memo for Bush to sign... giving him (Bush) unlimited (total) power to 1.Try and execute all or any suspected terrorist both away and within the US and or a US citizen.2. Eavesdrop on all US Citizens.3. Install Marshal Laws and Curfews....and a shit load more serious F_kin Stuff like Cheney mentioned two days later via a national televised speech...I quote.."Terror Suspects were not automatically entitled to receive the protections of the Geneva Convention or the rights that laws of war accord (Lawful combatants). Enraged above top brass split this administration in the last years...Colin Powell resigned in discust.

Mike...this convention is for a reason man....to keep us human...A little history....George Washington refused to treat British Soldiers with the same discusting..even in those times... and dispicable inhuman way that Continental soldiers were treated. These orders were to become the backbone of Military Doctrine of the USA until 2001.

The British treated these soldiers in the same way as Cheney has endorsed ("Unlawfull combatants")

 

Now...lets get something fully clarified....I have no f_kin soft spots for any of those rag headed f_kers that enflict their cowardaces on any nation..any..we have Canadian soldiers pretty well daily arriving home in caskets also.

 

But I do have a soft spot for Democracy, Rules, Constitutions, laws and human rights and the good for the common people....when you read, listen and acknowledge the shit that went and goes on...it becomes a little concerning...if not for me...for my kids.

I can only suggest that a couple of books ive read to combat the CNN predjudices and propagantic views be perused. 1. The Dark Side by Jane Mayer 2. Blackwater

by Jeremy Scahill 3.The Shock Doctrine by Naomi Klien and 4.The Enemy Whithin by Terry Crowdy. I of course take these reads with a "grain of salt" but it does give spectulation to the inner dealing of High government and the likes.

I am at present giving these reads a rest and adhereing to the old Chineese prverb..."Anything you dont know wont hurt you".

The US and its citizens are good people man...ive met.worked, and partied with many but if its allowed that administrations lower the country and its people to barbaric and inhumane treatments to Garner oil and fatten pockets of the ones running the country....its only hurting the people in the long run and fostering hatreds by all others looking in.

 

My 20 cents worth...Appologies for the winded reply and I think I will, in the future,steer clear of political chat back on a motorcycle forum and keep any views home.Unfortunately there are many on here that see it one way and one way only....not me!

 

Stay safe and all the best to all! Mick

 

Oh yeah...that rally I mentioned earlier....I drove the only Indian there man.....1 in 22000....Come on up next year all and shock the fk outta em!

If you do not follow the rules of the Geneva Convention, you are not covered by the Geneva Convention, pretty simple stuff there.

Cheney didn't make them not covered by the GC, they were never covered because they were terrorist piss ants that violated every part of the GC. Also, as enemy combatants, they were not covered by our Constitution either. They weren't Americans, and most of them were not in America. Our Constitution does not apply to any foreigner outside the US, our Cionstitution is for Americans.

We are not a democracy either, we are a democratic republic, big difference.

Human rights? To a very large degree I believe in those, but in my book (and I am just speaking for myself here) those fuckers lost all rights once they started violating other peoples rights so grossly.

Yer mileage may vary.....

 

Edit to add....We did not drop out of the Geneva Convention, no how, no way.

Edited September 9, 2009 by RCH

[Mickdanewf]

If you do not follow the rules of the Geneva Convention, you are not covered by the Geneva Convention, pretty simple stuff there.

Cheney didn't make them not covered by the GC, they were never covered because they were terrorist piss ants that violated every part of the GC. Also, as enemy combatants, they were not covered by our Constitution either. They weren't Americans, and most of them were not in America. Our Constitution does not apply to any foreigner outside the US, our Cionstitution is for Americans.

We are not a democracy either, we are a democratic republic, big difference.

Human rights? To a very large degree I believe in those, but in my book (and I am just speaking for myself here) those fuckers lost all rights once they started violating other peoples rights so grossly.

Yer mileage may vary.....

 

Edit to add....We did not drop out of the Geneva Convention, no how, no way.

 

All noted there RCH....tho never mentioned anything bout foriegners running under US constitution

 

Democracy versus Democratic republic...I inform meself better on that one

 

Human rights sentence.....I cant disagree thats for sure...but......"Safety from external danger is the most powerful director of national conduct. Even the ardent love of liberty will, after a time, give way to it's dictates"-------------Federalist papers, no.8

 

Think what im tryin to put out there RCH is "Stoopin to the levels of those (Terrorist piss ants)and tucking away hard fought and historical doctrines to "Just give them what they deserve" (Which perhaps is a long/slow death)will and do have its negative long term effects.

 

May not have dropped outta the GC but the manual was tucked under the desk!

 

Stay safe

 

M

[Last Resort]

That was pretty much my point RCH

The GC is a treaty signed by nations that agreed to be members and agreed to uphold the treaty.

Part of the treaty is the agreement that if one party fails to uphold the GC the game is off.

 

Ask Nick Berg what torture is. Ask what he thinks water-boarding is.

 

 

Least we forget

Sadly, I think many have.

[RCH]

All noted there RCH....tho never mentioned anything bout foriegners running under US constitution

 

Democracy versus Democratic republic...I inform meself better on that one

 

Human rights sentence.....I cant disagree thats for sure...but......"Safety from external danger is the most powerful director of national conduct. Even the ardent love of liberty will, after a time, give way to it's dictates"-------------Federalist papers, no.8

 

Think what im tryin to put out there RCH is "Stoopin to the levels of those (Terrorist piss ants)and tucking away hard fought and historical doctrines to "Just give them what they deserve" (Which perhaps is a long/slow death)will and do have its negative long term effects.

 

May not have dropped outta the GC but the manual was tucked under the desk!

 

Stay safe

 

M

Yer points noted as well M.

I guess I might have stretched it out to where I thought you might be going with "But I do have a soft spot for Democracy, Rules, Constitutions, laws and human rights and the good for the common people." when I brought up the part about them not being covered by our Constitution. My bad.

 

Good quote from the Federalist papers, an excellent example of what our founding fathers based this country on. Non sequitur to what I was talking about though. We have been at war with these fine folks for a long time, we were just sleeping through a lot of it. They are the bad guys, and they need to be stopped.

 

I do not condone torturing them to death, and I do not consider water boarding to be torture per se. In all actuality, I want them to be put down as quickly as possible, get it over with for both them and us. As bad of a man as I though Saddam Hussein was, I disagreed with the treatment he got in the minutes before his hanging, he did not deserve that kind of treatment. Hanging, yes, harranging, no.

 

I fully believe that they fall closer to the examples of the German spies that were captured during WWII in ally uniforms and were filmed being stood up to a wall and executed. No trial, they were guilty of crimes that were spelled out in the GC and were just put to death swiftly. The same should have happened to our terrorist asshats if they were caught redhanded.

 

I have zero compassion for those that violate the sanctity of others lives, freedoms, and rights.

[RCH]

That was pretty much my point RCH

The GC is a treaty signed by nations that agreed to be members and agreed to uphold the treaty.

Part of the treaty is the agreement that if one party fails to uphold the GC the game is off.

 

Ask Nick Berg what torture is. Ask what he thinks water-boarding is.

 

 

Least we forget

Sadly, I think many have.

Even sadder??? I think many want us to forget.

I, for one, will not, nor will I forgive.

[Last Resort]

An Important Distinction: Democracy versus Republic