Fugdbdt Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 (edited) Wanna solve 80% of this mess in 7 easy steps? 1) OIL: Drill here for oil. We have the 3rd largest oil reserve in the world under our feet. Drill it and tell the middle east/OPEC to fuck off. (Estimates range around 50 cents a gallon. Tax it up to a $1.50 and pay down our debt.) 2) GRAIN: A bushel of exported grain is now going to cost $300 instead of $5 - Pay up or starve. (The first $50 goes to the farmers - A 10X increase. The other $250 is used to pay down our national debt.) 3) ILLEGALS: Any business hiring an illegal will be closed and the owner jailed for 5yrs. (All assets including home, autos, furnishings, etc... will be auctioned off to pay for the program. ZERO tax payer cost.) All benefits for illegals are cancelled. Any babies born here by illegals will be sold to adoptive parents on Ebay with no reserve. Those that come here legally pay a lifetime 50% income tax. (Ebay baby aution and 50% income tax will fund this program.) You dont like our policies - Stay the fuck out. 4) GUNS: Everyone is allowed to carry a weapon - Anywhere at anytime. Classes, background checks, and permits are required. (Gun producers would jump at the chance to pay this funding - ZERO tax payer cost.) 5) MONEY: ...A) TAXES: 25% Flat tax is in effect. If you make $100k - You pay $25k. If you are a corporation and you make $500,000 Million - You pay $125,000 Million. ... CREDIT: All loans, credit cards, lines of credit, and mortgages are backed 50% by the US Government. Any investor who assumes debt already in place on July 1st, 2009 - Pays zero taxes on any and all profits. (The hedge funds and private investors will gobble up every "toxic" asset available.) ...C) FOREIGN AID: Unless we have an active permanent military base in your democratic country - You don't get jack shit. The billions we are shipping overseas to support other countries will be used to pay off our debt. When your country needs charity - Start a mySpace page. Obama raised $600 Million from naive people at an average of only $50 a head - So you can too... 6) GOVERNMENT: Two terms maximum with ZERO pensions. You want to serve the public - Then you are welcome to run for office. You want to make a career out of campaigning and appropriating tax dollars for your campaign contributors and friends - Look somewhere else. All politicians on any level will be paid only the median income level of there state/city for services rendered. Only those politicians with prior military service and an SAT minimum score of 1100 wil be allowed to serve the public. (If you are going to send our troops into harms way - You better know what the fuck you are doing.) 7) VOTING: Votes will be distributed as follows: Everyone gets one vote. If you are employed for 12 consecutive months - You get an extra vote. If you are a property owner - You get 2 extra votes. If you are a business owner - You get 3 extra votes. If you have prior military service - You get 4 extra votes. (Most legislation and political decisions affect taxpayers and military personel the most - So they should have more votes. An self-employed veteran who is a homeowner will get the maximum number of votes - 11 votes. Let's see the politicians try to capture that demographic with empty rhetoric, lies, and bullshit. This will also limit the ability of free-loaders to keep voting politicians who promote additional free benefits paid for by those who actually pay taxes.) Nothing is perfect - And I'm sure there are holes in these 7 steps also. So post your replies and comments. And remember - If you complain about any of these steps without offering a different solution - Then you are proving yourself to be just a whimpering fucktard.... And no - I didn't copy and paste this - These are my thoughts. And yes - I am naked right now........ Thanx, D Edited July 1, 2009 by Fugdbdt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RCH Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 4) GUNS: Everyone is allowed to carry a weapon - Anywhere at anytime. Classes, background checks, and permits are required. (Gun producers would jump at the chance to pay this funding - ZERO tax payer cost.) Useless government bureaucracy, if everyone is allowed, there is no need for a permit. The Second Amendment is our carry permit. Everything else sounds pretty good. (maybe not the no reserve thingy on illegal anchor babies) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fugdbdt Posted July 1, 2009 Author Share Posted July 1, 2009 SPECIAL ITEM #8: 8) PRISONS: If you are deemed to never have the ability to return into society (life no parole) then you will be put to death. Additionally - If you are sentenced to death you have the option of competing "Gladiator Style". You will be matched up with someone of roughtly the same size and ability - Then put into an arena where you will fit to the death. Your family will receive $1,000,000 every time you compete and win - $100,000 when you lose. The US government will receive 50% of the pay-per-view sales to pay off our debt - With the rest used to fund the prison system. (After my 1% fee of course...) Thanx, D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fugdbdt Posted July 1, 2009 Author Share Posted July 1, 2009 Useless government bureaucracy, if everyone is allowed, there is no need for a permit.The Second Amendment is our carry permit. Everything else sounds pretty good. (maybe not the no reserve thingy on illegal anchor babies) Probably should not have used "everyone". "Citizens" is a better classification. If you can vote - You can carry a gun. The permit give the police a way to determine if you are allowed to carry... MOTTO: A gun in every hand - A chicken in every pot - A cigar in every ash tray Thanx, D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcon Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 3 does not have ZERO cost. You yank assets like homes away from idiots who hire illegals, and you've just put that idiot's family out on the street. Which will cost us while they try to save up enough to get back into a home and get a job they don't need a car to get to . 4 - Not everyone, not everywhere, and not any time. Not practical. No rights, no guns. Bars, government buildings, and voting places should still be gun-free zones for joe citizen. There are other holes. But you knew that. I honestly thought #1 would be start a no confidence process and demand senators/representatives take a pay cut. Nice read, anyway, Danny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firebird77clone Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 (edited) You lost my support when you advocated income tax. SALES TAX. 5% federal, 2% state manufacturing will purchase raw materials at 1% new constitutional ammendent prohibiting income tax for PERPETUITY! If it doesn't cover it, then cut spending. and yes, you post sounds like you are naked Edited July 1, 2009 by firebird77clone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clan Chief Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 If I get 11 votes--- can I carry 11 guns ?? Can I hire an illegal to be a gun bearer ???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanChief Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 Wanna solve 80% of this mess in 7 easy steps? 1) OIL: Drill here for oil. We have the 3rd largest oil reserve in the world under our feet. Drill it and tell the middle east/OPEC to fuck off. (Estimates range around 50 cents a gallon. Tax it up to a $1.50 and pay down our debt.) 2) GRAIN: A bushel of exported grain is now going to cost $300 instead of $5 - Pay up or starve. (The first $50 goes to the farmers - A 10X increase. The other $250 is used to pay down our national debt.) 3) ILLEGALS: Any business hiring an illegal will be closed and the owner jailed for 5yrs. (All assets including home, autos, furnishings, etc... will be auctioned off to pay for the program. ZERO tax payer cost.) All benefits for illegals are cancelled. Any babies born here by illegals will be sold to adoptive parents on Ebay with no reserve. Those that come here legally pay a lifetime 50% income tax. (Ebay baby aution and 50% income tax will fund this program.) You dont like our policies - Stay the fuck out. 4) GUNS: Everyone is allowed to carry a weapon - Anywhere at anytime. Classes, background checks, and permits are required. (Gun producers would jump at the chance to pay this funding - ZERO tax payer cost.) 5) MONEY: ...A) TAXES: 25% Flat tax is in effect. If you make $100k - You pay $25k. If you are a corporation and you make $500,000 Million - You pay $125,000 Million. ... CREDIT: All loans, credit cards, lines of credit, and mortgages are backed 50% by the US Government. Any investor who assumes debt already in place on July 1st, 2009 - Pays zero taxes on any and all profits. (The hedge funds and private investors will gobble up every "toxic" asset available.) ...C) FOREIGN AID: Unless we have an active permanent military base in your democratic country - You don't get jack shit. The billions we are shipping overseas to support other countries will be used to pay off our debt. When your country needs charity - Start a mySpace page. Obama raised $600 Million from naive people at an average of only $50 a head - So you can too... 6) GOVERNMENT: Two terms maximum with ZERO pensions. You want to serve the public - Then you are welcome to run for office. You want to make a career out of campaigning and appropriating tax dollars for your campaign contributors and friends - Look somewhere else. All politicians on any level will be paid only the median income level of there state/city for services rendered. Only those politicians with prior military service and an SAT minimum score of 1100 wil be allowed to serve the public. (If you are going to send our troops into harms way - You better know what the fuck you are doing.) 7) VOTING: Votes will be distributed as follows: Everyone gets one vote. If you are employed for 12 consecutive months - You get an extra vote. If you are a property owner - You get 2 extra votes. If you are a business owner - You get 3 extra votes. If you have prior military service - You get 4 extra votes. (Most legislation and political decisions affect taxpayers and military personel the most - So they should have more votes. An self-employed veteran who is a homeowner will get the maximum number of votes - 11 votes. Let's see the politicians try to capture that demographic with empty rhetoric, lies, and bullshit. This will also limit the ability of free-loaders to keep voting politicians who promote additional free benefits paid for by those who actually pay taxes.) Nothing is perfect - And I'm sure there are holes in these 7 steps also. So post your replies and comments. And remember - If you complain about any of these steps without offering a different solution - Then you are proving yourself to be just a whimpering fucktard.... And no - I didn't copy and paste this - These are my thoughts. And yes - I am naked right now........ Thanx, D Instead of Flat I'd prefer a universal tax...that is, just a tax on the stuff you opt to purchase thus, I decide on what I'm taxed on, not the government....no one escapes a purchase tax, thus everyone pays a fair share,whereas flat taxes still have loopholes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanChief Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 SPECIAL ITEM #8: 8) PRISONS: If you are deemed to never have the ability to return into society (life no parole) then you will be put to death. Additionally - If you are sentenced to death you have the option of competing "Gladiator Style". You will be matched up with someone of roughtly the same size and ability - Then put into an arena where you will fit to the death. Your family will receive $1,000,000 every time you compete and win - $100,000 when you lose. The US government will receive 50% of the pay-per-view sales to pay off our debt - With the rest used to fund the prison system. (After my 1% fee of course...) Thanx, D PRISONS: one word: Privatization. Think of the victim that is punished twice...once for the crime commited against them, the other when they have to pay taxes to keep the criminal in prison. Criminals should have to pay with time AND money...why not boast our manufacturing base with slave labor...we can make Televisions again and cheap toys we normally buy from China... with prison industries we could effectively shut China down. The criminals wage earned goes to the victim and can't get out of prison until the victim is paid off. Think how much THAT would save taxpayers not paying for prisoners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanChief Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 You lost my support when you advocated income tax. SALES TAX. 5% federal, 2% state manufacturing will purchase raw materials at 1% new constitutional ammendent prohibiting income tax for PERPETUITY! If it doesn't cover it, then cut spending. and yes, you post sounds like you are naked Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
335 Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 #9 legalize pot, put it in the liqueur store an tax the shit out if now you take the crime out of it , put people to work to grow it, jails aint over crowded !!!!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanChief Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 #9 legalize pot, put it in the liqueur store an tax the shit out if now you take the crime out of it , put people to work to grow it, jails aint over crowded !!!!!!!!!!!!! Agreed..the war on victimless crime is costly and ineffective. legalizing it would stop the black market, shut down the mexican cartels and would definitley help America in tax revenue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homer Posted July 2, 2009 Share Posted July 2, 2009 Wanna solve 80% of this mess in 7 easy steps? 1) OIL: Drill here for oil. We have the 3rd largest oil reserve in the world under our feet. Drill it and tell the middle east/OPEC to fuck off. (Estimates range around 50 cents a gallon. Tax it up to a $1.50 and pay down our debt.) 2) GRAIN: A bushel of exported grain is now going to cost $300 instead of $5 - Pay up or starve. (The first $50 goes to the farmers - A 10X increase. The other $250 is used to pay down our national debt.) 3) ILLEGALS: Any business hiring an illegal will be closed and the owner jailed for 5yrs. (All assets including home, autos, furnishings, etc... will be auctioned off to pay for the program. ZERO tax payer cost.) All benefits for illegals are cancelled. Any babies born here by illegals will be sold to adoptive parents on Ebay with no reserve. Those that come here legally pay a lifetime 50% income tax. (Ebay baby aution and 50% income tax will fund this program.) You dont like our policies - Stay the fuck out. 4) GUNS: Everyone is allowed to carry a weapon - Anywhere at anytime. Classes, background checks, and permits are required. (Gun producers would jump at the chance to pay this funding - ZERO tax payer cost.) 5) MONEY: ...A) TAXES: 25% Flat tax is in effect. If you make $100k - You pay $25k. If you are a corporation and you make $500,000 Million - You pay $125,000 Million. ... CREDIT: All loans, credit cards, lines of credit, and mortgages are backed 50% by the US Government. Any investor who assumes debt already in place on July 1st, 2009 - Pays zero taxes on any and all profits. (The hedge funds and private investors will gobble up every "toxic" asset available.) ...C) FOREIGN AID: Unless we have an active permanent military base in your democratic country - You don't get jack shit. The billions we are shipping overseas to support other countries will be used to pay off our debt. When your country needs charity - Start a mySpace page. Obama raised $600 Million from naive people at an average of only $50 a head - So you can too... 6) GOVERNMENT: Two terms maximum with ZERO pensions. You want to serve the public - Then you are welcome to run for office. You want to make a career out of campaigning and appropriating tax dollars for your campaign contributors and friends - Look somewhere else. All politicians on any level will be paid only the median income level of there state/city for services rendered. Only those politicians with prior military service and an SAT minimum score of 1100 wil be allowed to serve the public. (If you are going to send our troops into harms way - You better know what the fuck you are doing.) 7) VOTING: Votes will be distributed as follows: Everyone gets one vote. If you are employed for 12 consecutive months - You get an extra vote. If you are a property owner - You get 2 extra votes. If you are a business owner - You get 3 extra votes. If you have prior military service - You get 4 extra votes. (Most legislation and political decisions affect taxpayers and military personel the most - So they should have more votes. An self-employed veteran who is a homeowner will get the maximum number of votes - 11 votes. Let's see the politicians try to capture that demographic with empty rhetoric, lies, and bullshit. This will also limit the ability of free-loaders to keep voting politicians who promote additional free benefits paid for by those who actually pay taxes.) Nothing is perfect - And I'm sure there are holes in these 7 steps also. So post your replies and comments. And remember - If you complain about any of these steps without offering a different solution - Then you are proving yourself to be just a whimpering fucktard.... And no - I didn't copy and paste this - These are my thoughts. And yes - I am naked right now........ Thanx, D I agree with alot...except... 1. oil...while i have no problem drilling here, i think the thinking is kinda like the bs we get about the "war on terror"...instead of fight them there and not here, it's "use all their's and save ours"...kind of a compelling arguement. My thought would be to "annex" iraq and any other of our "interest" where we have invested blood in the middle east and "share" their oil, at a reduced rate. 3. illegals.. we need to figure out how to make the productive and law abiding ones a part of our legal, tax paying society and get those that are not back to their respective country. 4. guns..I should have a bigger say in who carries a gun.. permits, yes... safety classes, yes..i see and agree with both sides of the gun arguement, but i definitely don't think ALL guns should be outlawed..on the other hand, while i like them and will soon buy a pretty cool semi auto, i don't see the civilian use of a lot of guns...I have a c2c, but i never carry. there's a lot of people i don't want with a c2c or to carry at all.... no answer how to solve this one, but a start would be better enforcement... 5.. a. taxes..while i'll loan the feds 25% or more, i like my refunds... but i'd have to see numbers on a flat tax to see if i'd back it.. c. foreign aid.. i agree.. while i don't mind "humanitarian" aid and aid we "have" to give out for people to be our friends (israel)..we should have a "we'll help you once we fix our own problems" standpoint. 6. i agree with term limits..they should also have to pay for their own insurance like we other indy contractors or self employed...disagree with the military service.. a college education would be nice, but probably not needed..although i think cops should have college degrees, so why not politicians? 7. voting...1 voice 1 vote. no electoral college for pres.. but before all that, the root of all problems is we need to upgrade our education system.. we educate our kids who grow up to be educated adults and crime goes down, people have jobs, they buy cars to get to those jobs, business goes up, nobody feels the "need" to carry a gun to protect themself and everybody is happy.. eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruzer Posted July 2, 2009 Share Posted July 2, 2009 (edited) Obama raised $600 Million from naive people at an average of only $50 a head - So you can too... You and Moe are the only ones that did that! I have not met anyone that will admit to sending any $$. I still think it came from Muslims Edited July 2, 2009 by cruzer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firebird77clone Posted July 2, 2009 Share Posted July 2, 2009 PRISONS: one word: Privatization. Think of the victim that is punished twice...once for the crime commited against them, the other when they have to pay taxes to keep the criminal in prison. Criminals should have to pay with time AND money...why not boast our manufacturing base with slave labor...we can make Televisions again and cheap toys we normally buy from China... with prison industries we could effectively shut China down. The criminals wage earned goes to the victim and can't get out of prison until the victim is paid off. Think how much THAT would save taxpayers not paying for prisoners. It sounds nice on paper, but it is a slippery slope. IMagine a world where you are more valuable in jail, then not. Consider the minor infractions, which would suddenly recieve maximum sentence. Hell, the judge and proscecutor would probably get a kickback resultant from their cases which receive jail time. consider also, a good, law abiding citizen suddenly can't find a job because all the local companies are hiring prison labor only. naw, my concept is thus: a huge forced labor camp in the middle of arizona.. nothing to prevent escape but a hundred miles of scorching sand and scorpoins. they would pump thier own water, to grow their own crops, and make bricks. The bricks would be used in government/state projects, the food would be used for social programs ( WIC ). They would labor 12 hrs a day. It would be grueling and brutal. Reoccuring offenders would be unheard of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
judgebob99 Posted July 2, 2009 Share Posted July 2, 2009 it ain't perfect ,, but damn it is alot better than the stuff they are shoveling outta Washington at us now Danny,, no wonder I love ya Bro,,, I think it is a great plan,, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanChief Posted July 2, 2009 Share Posted July 2, 2009 It sounds nice on paper, but it is a slippery slope. IMagine a world where you are more valuable in jail, then not. Consider the minor infractions, which would suddenly recieve maximum sentence. Hell, the judge and proscecutor would probably get a kickback resultant from their cases which receive jail time. consider also, a good, law abiding citizen suddenly can't find a job because all the local companies are hiring prison labor only. naw, my concept is thus: a huge forced labor camp in the middle of arizona.. nothing to prevent escape but a hundred miles of scorching sand and scorpoins. they would pump thier own water, to grow their own crops, and make bricks. The bricks would be used in government/state projects, the food would be used for social programs ( WIC ). They would labor 12 hrs a day. It would be grueling and brutal. Reoccuring offenders would be unheard of. Disagree...first, it's menial labor...anyone can do it, and face it, one thing we do not have a short supply on is criminals....second, we don't have the problem of law abiding citizens not finding manufacturing jobs because we don't manufacture anything...besides Prion Induistria Athority is already doing something similar to my proposal, but it's government funded. Bottom line, it would save taxpayer billions of dollars and also boost our GDP...will there be some issues, yes, but more cost effective than your plan....and so far there has been no proof that hard labor or death is a deterrant...criminals are criminals, so ya might as well make them produce. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickMeans Posted July 2, 2009 Share Posted July 2, 2009 Wanna solve 80% of this mess in 7 easy steps? 1) OIL: Drill here for oil. We have the 3rd largest oil reserve in the world under our feet. Drill it and tell the middle east/OPEC to fuck off. (Estimates range around 50 cents a gallon. Tax it up to a $1.50 and pay down our debt.) 2) GRAIN: A bushel of exported grain is now going to cost $300 instead of $5 - Pay up or starve. (The first $50 goes to the farmers - A 10X increase. The other $250 is used to pay down our national debt.) 3) ILLEGALS: Any business hiring an illegal will be closed and the owner jailed for 5yrs. (All assets including home, autos, furnishings, etc... will be auctioned off to pay for the program. ZERO tax payer cost.) All benefits for illegals are cancelled. Any babies born here by illegals will be sold to adoptive parents on Ebay with no reserve. Those that come here legally pay a lifetime 50% income tax. (Ebay baby aution and 50% income tax will fund this program.) You dont like our policies - Stay the fuck out. 4) GUNS: Everyone is allowed to carry a weapon - Anywhere at anytime. Classes, background checks, and permits are required. (Gun producers would jump at the chance to pay this funding - ZERO tax payer cost.) 5) MONEY: ...A) TAXES: 25% Flat tax is in effect. If you make $100k - You pay $25k. If you are a corporation and you make $500,000 Million - You pay $125,000 Million. ... CREDIT: All loans, credit cards, lines of credit, and mortgages are backed 50% by the US Government. Any investor who assumes debt already in place on July 1st, 2009 - Pays zero taxes on any and all profits. (The hedge funds and private investors will gobble up every "toxic" asset available.) ...C) FOREIGN AID: Unless we have an active permanent military base in your democratic country - You don't get jack shit. The billions we are shipping overseas to support other countries will be used to pay off our debt. When your country needs charity - Start a mySpace page. Obama raised $600 Million from naive people at an average of only $50 a head - So you can too... 6) GOVERNMENT: Two terms maximum with ZERO pensions. You want to serve the public - Then you are welcome to run for office. You want to make a career out of campaigning and appropriating tax dollars for your campaign contributors and friends - Look somewhere else. All politicians on any level will be paid only the median income level of there state/city for services rendered. Only those politicians with prior military service and an SAT minimum score of 1100 wil be allowed to serve the public. (If you are going to send our troops into harms way - You better know what the fuck you are doing.) 7) VOTING: Votes will be distributed as follows: Everyone gets one vote. If you are employed for 12 consecutive months - You get an extra vote. If you are a property owner - You get 2 extra votes. If you are a business owner - You get 3 extra votes. If you have prior military service - You get 4 extra votes. (Most legislation and political decisions affect taxpayers and military personel the most - So they should have more votes. An self-employed veteran who is a homeowner will get the maximum number of votes - 11 votes. Let's see the politicians try to capture that demographic with empty rhetoric, lies, and bullshit. This will also limit the ability of free-loaders to keep voting politicians who promote additional free benefits paid for by those who actually pay taxes.) Nothing is perfect - And I'm sure there are holes in these 7 steps also. So post your replies and comments. And remember - If you complain about any of these steps without offering a different solution - Then you are proving yourself to be just a whimpering fucktard.... And no - I didn't copy and paste this - These are my thoughts. And yes - I am naked right now........ Thanx, D I agree 100% !!!!!!!!!! Value added tax, NO IRS everybody pays whenever they purchase anything. NO underground economy that way. Hard to believe your favorite post is " I have no f*cking idea" You certainly have more of a clue than our whole congress/senate and executive branch Rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RCH Posted July 2, 2009 Share Posted July 2, 2009 3. illegals.. we need to figure out how to make the productive and law abiding ones a part of our legal, tax paying society and get those that are not back to their respective country. Illegals and law abiding while talking about the same person in the same sentence is an oxymoron at best. They cannot be law abiding if they are here illegally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Loco Posted July 2, 2009 Share Posted July 2, 2009 # 10 Effective immediately, all citizens who are holders of a Law Degree will be chained to the bottom of the Pacific Ocean's Marianas Trench until further notice. Botta Bing Botta Boom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indian al Posted July 2, 2009 Share Posted July 2, 2009 naw, my concept is thus: a huge forced labor camp in the middle of arizona.. nothing to prevent escape but a hundred miles of scorching sand and scorpoins. they would pump thier own water, to grow their own crops, and make bricks. The bricks would be used in government/state projects, the food would be used for social programs ( WIC ). They would labor 12 hrs a day. It would be grueling and brutal. Reoccuring offenders would be unheard of. I thought of something like that for up here. We have a lot of unused forest up north with nothing around for hundreds of miles. Build a prison without fences if they try and escape they wont get far before they get sucked into muskeg or starve to death. They serve the full term not get off for good behavior. I bet the reoccurring offenders would be down considerably. Al Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travlur Posted July 2, 2009 Share Posted July 2, 2009 naw, my concept is thus: a huge forced labor camp in the middle of arizona.. nothing to prevent escape but a hundred miles of scorching sand and scorpoins. they would pump thier own water, to grow their own crops, and make bricks. The bricks would be used in government/state projects, the food would be used for social programs ( WIC ). They would labor 12 hrs a day. It would be grueling and brutal. Reoccuring offenders would be unheard of. Already being done! You never heard of Sheriff Joe Arpaio in Maricopa County, AZ? All about Joe Arpaio began to serve inmates surplus food including outdated and oxidized green bologna and limited meals to twice daily. Arpaio banned inmates from possessing "sexually explicit material" including Playboy magazine after female officers complained that inmates openly masturbated while viewing them, or harassed the officers by comparing their anatomy to the nude photos in the publications. Arpaio set up a "Tent City" as an extension of the Maricopa County Jail in an effort to tackle over-crowding without building a new jail, saving taxpayers circa $70m. Many prisons and jails throughout the United States have used, and continue to use, tents to house inmates. Tent City is located in a yard next to a more permanent structure containing toilets, showers, an area for meals, and a day room. It has become notable particularly because of Phoenix's extreme temperatures. Daytime temperatures inside the tents have been reported as high as 150 °F in the top bunks. During the summer, fans and water are supplied in the tents. According to former Sheriff's Office employees, Arpaio emptied an entire floor of one jail to help fill the tent city when it was opened. During the summer of 2003, when outside temperatures exceeded 110 °F, which is higher than average, Arpaio said to complaining inmates, "It's 120 degrees in Iraq and the soldiers are living in tents, have to wear full body armor, and they didn't commit any crimes, so shut your mouths." Inmates were given permission to wear only their pink underwear. In 1995, Arpaio reinstituted chain gangs. In 1996, Arpaio expanded the chain gang concept by instituting female volunteer chain gangs. Female inmates work seven hours a day (7 am to 2 pm), six days a week. He has also instituted the world's first all-juvenile volunteer chain gang; volunteers earn high school credit toward a diploma. One of Arpaio's most visible public relations successes was the introduction of pink underwear, which the Maricopa County Sheriff's website cites as being "world famous." Arpaio's success in gaining press coverage with the pink underwear resulted in him extending the use of the color. He introduced pink handcuffs, using the event to promote his book, Sheriff Joe Arpaio, America's Toughest Sheriff. In 2005, nearly 700 maximum-security prisoners were marched the four blocks from Towers Jail to the newly opened Lower Buckeye Jail, wearing only their underwear and flip-flops, nominally to prevent the concealment of weapons. Prisoners were strip-searched when they left Towers Jail and again when they reached their destination Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tahoe Chief Posted July 2, 2009 Share Posted July 2, 2009 Already being done! You never heard of Sheriff Joe Arpaio in Maricopa County, AZ? All about Joe Arpaio began to serve inmates surplus food including outdated and oxidized green bologna and limited meals to twice daily. Arpaio banned inmates from possessing "sexually explicit material" including Playboy magazine after female officers complained that inmates openly masturbated while viewing them, or harassed the officers by comparing their anatomy to the nude photos in the publications. Arpaio set up a "Tent City" as an extension of the Maricopa County Jail in an effort to tackle over-crowding without building a new jail, saving taxpayers circa $70m. Many prisons and jails throughout the United States have used, and continue to use, tents to house inmates. Tent City is located in a yard next to a more permanent structure containing toilets, showers, an area for meals, and a day room. It has become notable particularly because of Phoenix's extreme temperatures. Daytime temperatures inside the tents have been reported as high as 150 °F in the top bunks. During the summer, fans and water are supplied in the tents. According to former Sheriff's Office employees, Arpaio emptied an entire floor of one jail to help fill the tent city when it was opened. During the summer of 2003, when outside temperatures exceeded 110 °F, which is higher than average, Arpaio said to complaining inmates, "It's 120 degrees in Iraq and the soldiers are living in tents, have to wear full body armor, and they didn't commit any crimes, so shut your mouths." Inmates were given permission to wear only their pink underwear. In 1995, Arpaio reinstituted chain gangs. In 1996, Arpaio expanded the chain gang concept by instituting female volunteer chain gangs. Female inmates work seven hours a day (7 am to 2 pm), six days a week. He has also instituted the world's first all-juvenile volunteer chain gang; volunteers earn high school credit toward a diploma. One of Arpaio's most visible public relations successes was the introduction of pink underwear, which the Maricopa County Sheriff's website cites as being "world famous." Arpaio's success in gaining press coverage with the pink underwear resulted in him extending the use of the color. He introduced pink handcuffs, using the event to promote his book, Sheriff Joe Arpaio, America's Toughest Sheriff. In 2005, nearly 700 maximum-security prisoners were marched the four blocks from Towers Jail to the newly opened Lower Buckeye Jail, wearing only their underwear and flip-flops, nominally to prevent the concealment of weapons. Prisoners were strip-searched when they left Towers Jail and again when they reached their destination Bet his repeat client level is kinda low ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Loco Posted July 2, 2009 Share Posted July 2, 2009 You may have outgrown the urge to commit a crime, but you are never too old to be falsely accused and wrongly convicted of an offense you never committed. Jails are full of those poor souls who have had a case built by LEOs from thin air. Not all those behind bars deserve to be there. That's a fact Jack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scalper38 Posted July 2, 2009 Share Posted July 2, 2009 Already being done! You never heard of Sheriff Joe Arpaio in Maricopa County, AZ? All about Joe Arpaio began to serve inmates surplus food including outdated and oxidized green bologna and limited meals to twice daily. Arpaio banned inmates from possessing "sexually explicit material" including Playboy magazine after female officers complained that inmates openly masturbated while viewing them, or harassed the officers by comparing their anatomy to the nude photos in the publications. Arpaio set up a "Tent City" as an extension of the Maricopa County Jail in an effort to tackle over-crowding without building a new jail, saving taxpayers circa $70m. Many prisons and jails throughout the United States have used, and continue to use, tents to house inmates. Tent City is located in a yard next to a more permanent structure containing toilets, showers, an area for meals, and a day room. It has become notable particularly because of Phoenix's extreme temperatures. Daytime temperatures inside the tents have been reported as high as 150 °F in the top bunks. During the summer, fans and water are supplied in the tents. According to former Sheriff's Office employees, Arpaio emptied an entire floor of one jail to help fill the tent city when it was opened. During the summer of 2003, when outside temperatures exceeded 110 °F, which is higher than average, Arpaio said to complaining inmates, "It's 120 degrees in Iraq and the soldiers are living in tents, have to wear full body armor, and they didn't commit any crimes, so shut your mouths." Inmates were given permission to wear only their pink underwear. In 1995, Arpaio reinstituted chain gangs. In 1996, Arpaio expanded the chain gang concept by instituting female volunteer chain gangs. Female inmates work seven hours a day (7 am to 2 pm), six days a week. He has also instituted the world's first all-juvenile volunteer chain gang; volunteers earn high school credit toward a diploma. One of Arpaio's most visible public relations successes was the introduction of pink underwear, which the Maricopa County Sheriff's website cites as being "world famous." Arpaio's success in gaining press coverage with the pink underwear resulted in him extending the use of the color. He introduced pink handcuffs, using the event to promote his book, Sheriff Joe Arpaio, America's Toughest Sheriff. In 2005, nearly 700 maximum-security prisoners were marched the four blocks from Towers Jail to the newly opened Lower Buckeye Jail, wearing only their underwear and flip-flops, nominally to prevent the concealment of weapons. Prisoners were strip-searched when they left Towers Jail and again when they reached their destination Yup. He's a hero to all the folks out there. I've got a good friend that lives there and they all love him. The inmates don't though!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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