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Why no Christian suicide bombers?

and other thoughts on Islamic terror

Dennis Prager

April 6, 2004

 

 

Golly gee, Muslim terrorists tried to attack Madrid again. How can that be? Wasn't Muslim terror in Spain supposed to end once Spain appeased the terrorists by voting in the socialists?

 

Only those who do not understand Muslim terror could fool themselves into believing that.

 

So, to better understand the subject, I offer three conclusions I drew about terror during my week of broadcasting from Israel last month.

 

First, Islamic terror is caused by Muslims, not, as Islamic and leftist apologists would have it, by the non-Muslims against whom it is directed. In our morally confused world, Spain, Israel and America are blamed for having their men, women and children blown up: What did these countries do to arouse such enmity among otherwise tolerant Arabs and Muslims?

 

Palestinian terror provides the answer. About 25 percent of Palestinians are Christian, yet if there are any Palestinian Christian suicide bombers, I am unaware of them. Now why is that? Don't Muslim and leftist apologists incessantly tell us that the reason for Palestinian terror is "Israeli occupation and oppression"? Why, then, are there no Palestinian Christian terrorists? Are Christian Palestinians less occupied?

 

The answer is obvious. There is Palestinian terror for the same reasons there is Muslim terror elsewhere. A significant part of the Muslim world wishes to destroy those non-Muslims -- Americans, Israelis, Filipinos, Nigerians, Sudanese blacks -- who prevent Islam from violently attaining power.

 

Palestinian Muslim terror emanates from a desire to destroy Israel, not to end Israel's occupation of the West Bank. Other Muslim terror is aimed at weakening the West, America in particular, so that militant theocratic Islam can dominate Muslim-majority societies and then take over other societies, as it is slowly doing in Western Europe.

 

Second, despite the Spanish cave-in to terror, in the long run, terror doesn't work. By any rational calculation, to take the Palestinian example, it has become the most self-destructive policy Palestinians could pursue. Palestinian terror has convinced almost all Israelis outside of academia that the moral gulf between them and the Palestinians is so wide that there is presently no hope for peace.

 

Nor has Palestinian terror terrorized Israelis. In what will surely be recorded as among the most impressive behaviors of a national group, Israelis have decided to live as normally as possible among people who aim to murder and maim as many of them as possible. In fact, I learned, many Israelis are now concerned that they have done this too well, that there is not enough mourning and rage after each atrocity.

 

Palestinian terror is self-destructive because it has morally, economically, religiously and politically destroyed Palestinian society and led to its present state of chaos. The mayor of Nablus resigned two months ago, declaring that gangs of thugs now govern Palestinian society. Any society that encourages terror ends up consumed by it. Ask the Saudis.

 

Third, there is a terrible long-term price that Muslims, Arabs and Palestinians in particular are paying for the minority that engages in terror and for the majority that says nothing about it or supports it.

 

They may wish to reflect on the fact that with every act of terror they engage in, their people and religion are increasingly identified with cruelty. Can anyone anywhere name any Palestinian contribution to humanity other than innovative forms of terror and cruelty? On my radio show, the spokesman of Zaka, the Israeli rescue squad that attends to terror victims, told me that at various times Palestinian terrorists have laced the screws attached to their bombs with rat poison, and that at least one of the Palestinian terrorists was injected with the AIDS virus in the hope that his blood would transmit AIDS to wounded Israelis.

 

Just as the German nation, fairly or not, has had to grapple with the moral legacy of Nazism, and the name of Christianity still suffers (unfairly) because of medieval persecutions of non-Christians, so, too, Islam, Arabs and Palestinians will have to struggle for generations to shed their identification with murdering innocents.

 

While it is Americans, Israelis and other targets of terror who most suffer individually from Palestinian and other Muslim terror, those with the most to lose are Palestinians, Arabs and Islam.

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Percentage-wise (based on population of the US versus Israel), whenever there's a suicide attack on Israel it's a larger attack than 9/11......mind boggling, eh?

 

As for no Christian attacks (and this is not an attack on Christians although I'll probably get flamed for saying this....) they already sowed their wild oats.....the Spanish Inquisition and many other "saving of the unsaved" campaigns are littered throughout history. This is a fact. As is that more people have died or been killed in the name of religion than any border disputes (which, by the way, many have been based on religious reasons).

 

Organized religion? Include me out.

-ANT

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Well said LR! I have to blame the French ,British & Germans , because these are the Europeans who first established satelite settlements in the bids to bring Christiantly to the third worlds of Arabia! In doing so , limited numbers of there peoples were sent to the respective European countries for education , once they attained a high level of education , these "natives" realized the power that they weilded in there countries , not only over there people but the Euro's who had settled there as well!

 

All that power is just what the Islama'ist wanted , now a few could lead the people into destruction against the 3 great powers, the Euro's just never learned , "Squash these peasants" thats what the Generals said , but the politicians , opted to increase there powers and there militaries until the the leaders were so infuriated with the Euro's they killed them off and became enemies!

 

These towel Heads educated there families , which since have become Monarchs (dictators ) in there own countries !

 

not even 100 years ago , these sand niggers were merely fighting over "watering hole" rights , now they control the worlds oil production ! Blame goes to the British ,French & Germans for not "squashing these bugs" upon first meeting!

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Percentage-wise (based on population of the US versus Israel), whenever there's a suicide attack on Israel it's a larger attack than 9/11......mind boggling, eh?

 

As for no Christian attacks (and this is not an attack on Christians although I'll probably get flamed for saying this....) they already sowed their wild oats.....the Spanish Inquisition and many other "saving of the unsaved" campaigns are littered throughout history. This is a fact. As is that more people have died or been killed in the name of religion than any border disputes (which, by the way, many have been based on religious reasons).

 

Organized religion? Include me out.

-ANT

The Spanish Inquisition:

 

It is the most notorious, for three reasons:

 

   1- It was more cruel precisely because it was administered by the secular government.

 

   2- It was concerned, in large part, with the conversos. These were Jews who had converted either under duress or out of social convenience, and were suspected of secretly practicing the Jewish faith.

 

   3- It has been the main target of Protestant and secular opponents of Catholicism who have fabricated — through pamphlets, “histories,” plays, and even paintings — cruelties and excesses far beyond what actually occurred.

 

   Many Protestants use the Inquisition as a handy stick to beat the Catholic Church, but they tend to forget the Protestant Inquisition

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(FYI)

 

The Spanish Inquisition;

How it started:

 

   The Turks (Muslim Turks) in 1480 attacked the south Italian city of Otranto. 12,000 people were killed, the rest made slaves. The Turks killed every cleric in the city and sawed the archbishop in two. So Queen Isabel sent a fleet to Italy. In September of 1480, when it was clear the Turks might do the same to any coastal city, King Ferdinand V and Queen Isabella established the Inquisition. It dealt with the special problem of those who pretended to become Christians, but were not really converted, and might open the gates of the city to the Turks.

 

   During this period the West was in danger of following the fate of Constantinople and falling under the sword of Islam. Indeed Protestant and Catholic princes joined forces against the threat and at one point the Turkish armies were at the gates of Vienna.

 

   Otherwise, the modern nations of Morocco, Algeria, and Tunisia, 16 miles away from Spain, formed part of a vast imperial system established by the Muslim Turks, a system as powerful and menacing to western Europe as the Soviet bloc was conceived to be in our day.

 

   It was under this threat that the Pope Sixtus IV authorized the Spanish Inquisition in 1478 if it should be needed. The kings of Spain, Isabella and Ferdinand, instituted it two years later. The specific threat that the Inquisition faced was the "conversos." Spain had been freed form Islamic control for only a few generations, after 800 years of oppression... and not completely, because Islam still ruled in Granada up to 1492.

 

   The Spanish Inquisition was independent of the Medieval Inquisition. It was established by Ferdinand and Isabella with the reluctant approval of Sixtus IV. It was entirely controlled by the Spanish kings, and the pope's only hold over it was in naming the inquisitor general chosen by the kings. The popes were never reconciled to the institution, which they regarded as usurping a church prerogative.    

 

  The Spanish Inquisition had no authority over practicing Muslims and Jews, only over professed Christians suspected of being fakes and a threat to the country... it remained operative in Spain into the nineteenth century. Originally called into being against secret Islam and secret Judaism, it served also to repel Protestantism in the sixteenth century, but was unable to expel French Rationalism and immorality of the eighteenth... it also took some action against witchcraft though it was very limited compared with the 30,000 witches burned in England and the 100,000 in Germany.

 

   It was a state institution used to identify conversos, mainly Muslims (Moors, Moros), and Jews (Marranos), who falsely "converted" to Christianity and secretly practiced their former religion. Its job was also, and more importantly, to clear the good name of many people who were falsely accused.

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Am not going to argue the finer points, all I was trying to point out is that for the most part, no organized religion is exempt from attrocities of one kind or the other. It's just that it appears that the Muslims are the last ones still out there doing bad things on a large and wide scale.

 

I could very well be wrong, but it seems that the Buddhists are one of the few that don't have any blood on their hands.

 

Am not trying to persuade or convert anyone to my way of thinking, just pointing out that as evil as some of these muslim rat bastards are, they're historically not the only ones who done bad things. This is not a bash, this is historical fact.

-ANT (what do I beleive in? I believe I'll have another beer)

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man this hurts me bad but i agree with ant,i also am against organzied religion.that's why the bible says let's earnestly contend for THE  faith not a faith if the baptist are right ,then the methodist and all others are gonna die and go to hell,a intellictual baptist wants to make all others baptist, pentecostals the same thing but a revelated child of god wants only the will of god which is the word of god anointed.it still hurts me to agree with mr ant though i must go fast and pray>>>>man!!!!!
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Damned with faint praise? Danny, I don't quite understand what your problem is with me, other than my being a confessed heathen (you like them mixed metaphors?). The truth is the truth.

 

As an aside, your quoting of scripture is not the easiest to grasp, that's one of the key problems I have with the bible. The words and phrasing are so old world that it's like having to learn a new language. Yeah, I can hear it already "the word of God" and all like that. Sorry, but if it were made more readable/comprehendable then more people would find it interesting and by extension, possibly get into it more.

 

It's like trying to read assembly instructions for a Chinese bicycle written in pigeon English.

-ANT

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Not at all nice. Just reinforces what I said about religions being violent. Do as I say, not as I do.

 

At least with a heathen like me, what you see is what you get. I don't pretend to be all superior and then pull a stunt like that. Am just a honest dirt bag  :rotfl:

-ANT

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man this hurts me bad but i agree with ant,i also am against organzied religion.that's why the bible says let's earnestly contend for THE  faith not a faith if the baptist are right ,then the methodist and all others are gonna die and go to hell,a intellictual baptist wants to make all others baptist, pentecostals the same thing but a revelated child of god wants only the will of god which is the word of god anointed.it still hurts me to agree with mr ant though i must go fast and pray>>>>man!!!!!

Sorry Man,

 

Our Lord and Savior ask Petter to start a church!  And that Church still stands today!  Along with all of it's bad and hurt it has caused the world!  However, Christ said that not everyone in his Church would be saved and go to a better place...  Because unfortunately the Church is a Human tool that reaches out to God and only God is perfect!  I feel that all Christian churches are universal in the Catholic sense.  All Christian Churches cannot deny their Roman Catholic roots and The Roman Catholic Church would not stand today if not for Martin Luther..  Christians have common link..Church :)

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My favorite analogy - Is religion to martial arts...

 

Being a life long student has taught me...

 

There is no right or wrong one.

 

They can be used to give you direction and purpose.

 

They can be used to save or take a life.

 

And my favorite:  You should never be satisfied with just the teachings of "yours" - A more well rounded understanding will  allow you to know the "others" strengths and weaknesses.

 

Just my $2,000,000 worth...

 

Thanks, Danny

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Ahhh so grasshopper, very good. Only fly in that ointment is that most religions will tell you that theirs is the only true and correct one and should you not follow them then you are doomed to eternal damnation. Pretty good sales pitch if you ask me. Guess used car salesmen and religious types have more in common than they know! LOL

 

Seems to me that most things in nature are actually elegantly simple, the bible on the other hand is more complex than trying to follow the plot on a soap opera that's been on air since the 50's. I for one would think that God's message would be much more concise than what's contained in that tome.

 

And if we're all forgiven, why is there a hell? Methinks it's a tool to use to threaten us into behaving. Doesn't that mean that Hitler is in heaven too?

 

Taking this one step further, if the devil is an angel thrown out of heaven, and that the devil's domain is the earth, then following this to a (my) logical conclusion, wouldn't that mean that life here on earth is actually hell? Roll that around for awhile.

-ANT

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Let's see, Adolf Hitler was anti-Christian and a hard core secularist. Joseph Stalin was an atheist and a hard core secularist too and how about Maoist China.  

 

Non-religious wars have killed more then religious wars and the stats back it up.

 

As a History Teacher at a Junior college I challenge my classes to think about the following:

 

Religion has caused more suffering, wars and violence than any other cause.

 

Almost all the students agree. I then ask that they prove this by the number of people killed. They usually mention the Crusades and one or two other religious wars they might have heard of but in none of their examples can they come up with a million deaths. (Some experts used to teach that the Thirty Years’ War in Germany caused 8 million deaths, but modern experts have proved that it was more like 200 thousand and in fact the population of Germany actually increased during that war.) I then point out that most of the people who have died as a result of war, have done so in the Twentieth Century and that most of the killing was done in the name of secular (not religious) beliefs. I then ask them who is the worst of them all. Most guess Hitler. I then tell them that he is rated #3. Some then guess Stalin and I tell them that most experts place him at #2 with 20 million killed. Almost no one gets #1 who ... , of course ... , is Mao who starts with an estimated 40 million. I then point out that the top two were Communists and Hitler was a radical believer in Social Darwinism. All of these are based on atheistic beliefs.

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Ahhh so grasshopper, very good. Only fly in that ointment is that most religions will tell you that theirs is the only true and correct one and should you not follow them then you are doomed to eternal damnation. Pretty good sales pitch if you ask me. Guess used car salesmen and religious types have more in common than they know! LOL

 

Seems to me that most things in nature are actually elegantly simple, the bible on the other hand is more complex than trying to follow the plot on a soap opera that's been on air since the 50's. I for one would think that God's message would be much more concise than what's contained in that tome.

 

And if we're all forgiven, why is there a hell? Methinks it's a tool to use to threaten us into behaving. Doesn't that mean that Hitler is in heaven too?

 

Taking this one step further, if the devil is an angel thrown out of heaven, and that the devil's domain is the earth, then following this to a (my) logical conclusion, wouldn't that mean that life here on earth is actually hell? Roll that around for awhile.

-ANT

Well If I have to tell you then I will:

 

The biblical God sends out his angels to carry messages, to protect and to destroy. They also have the function of constantly offering praise toYahweh. Only in the latter books of Hebrew Scriptures (the Christian Old Testament) do angels begin to do more than simply worship God and carry out his orders, as when the angel of the Lord in the book of   Zechariah intercedes with God on behalf of Israel (1:12—13). The latter books of the Hebrew Bible, particularly the hook of Daniel, reflect the distinct influence of Persian angelology. As a result of several centurie of Persian control of the Middle East, Jews were brought into ontact with Zoroastrian religious ideas. Of decisive significance in view of late developments in Judaism’s sister/brother religions, Christianity and Islam, was Zoroaster’s doctrine of the ongoing struggle between good and evil—a dualistic world view that included war between good and evil angels.

 

Earlier Hebrews had not postulated an evil counter-divinity or

devil opposed to Yahweh. In the book of Job, for example, Satan is a member of the heavenly court whose role appears to he that of a prose-cuting attorney rather than that of an enemy of God.

       

In order to explain the origin of a devil in the traditionally non-

dualistic faith of Judaism. new stories were developed, though they were never incorporated into Scripture. These extra-biblical writings explained evil in terms of the revolt and/or disobedience of God’s angels. In one story, Satan declared himself as great as God and led a rebellion of angels against the celestial order.defeated, he and his followers were tossed out of heaven, and subsequently have continued to war against God by attempting to ruin the Earth, God’s creation. A less well-known, alterna-tive narrative, which is best preserved in the apocryphal Book of Fnoch, is that a group of angels lusted after mortal females, and Fell after leav-ing their heavenly abode and copulating with them.

       

In addition to the notion of an ongoing spiritual warfare between

good and evil, Judaism also adopted the idea of a final judgment and resurrection of the dead at the end of time—a time when righteousness would finally triumph. This happy ending would be preceded by an all out war in which the angels of God would defeat Satan and his fallen angels once and for all. These notions particularly characterized the thought world of the Essenes, a small Jewish sect whose surviving writings, the Dead Sea Scrolls, are characterized by an apocalyptic, endtime emphasis that pictured a supernatural redemption at the hand of God and         his angels.

       

Beyond the Hebrew Bible, a number of important bodies of Jewish

religious literature further developed notions about angels. The most important of these are the Talmud. While attempting to tone down what they viewed as an unhealthy overemphasis on angels, the talmudic rabbis simultaneously recognized such post-biblical innovations as the division between angels of peace and evil angels. The talmudic literature also adds much detailed speculation on the nature of angels without changing the fundamental notions that had been developed earlier. Much the same can be said about Jewish mystical speculations, such as those contained in the Zohar.

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Woof, sorry I asked. Actually, thank you for taking the time to write that post.

 

Seems that the bottom line is that we're back to one religion contradicting another.

-ANT

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Woof, sorry I asked. Actually, thank you for taking the time to write that post.

 

Seems that the bottom line is that we're back to one religion contradicting another.

-ANT

I did not write that.  Andy Lakey wrote in the book Angels A to Z.  He was the one who wrote the forward in the Book.

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I meant thank you for taking the time to post that, kinda figgered that you hadn't written it as it showed so many references that would take quite a while to research.

 

It's amazing the stuff you can learn on an Indian motorcycle forum! LOL

-ANT

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I know I was just being a smart-ass!  This is really one cool book.  It talks about a war in Heaven and how Michael threw Lucifer out of Heaven when he thought he an equal to God.  It tells about the erroneous misconception that somehow equated Lucifer with Satan.  They are not the same Angel.  It is a book that deals with how the stories of Angels began.  It is not some sappy writer that is telling you that this stuff is true, he is just giving the facts of how all these stories came about and where they came from.  It is interesting at the least!
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I meant thank you for taking the time to post that, kinda figgered that you hadn't written it as .....

you are snooger.

:rasp:  :rotfl:  :rasp:

:devil:  :rotfl:  :shocked:

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I'd have to agree with you ANT , as far as the bible is concerned , it is mostly made up of "half-truths" , the reasons the full truths are not there is several things.

 

1)When the bible was translated into Greek , the greek and Hebrew alphabets are completely different, several words or even phrases sound alike , but have completely different meanings

 

2)Greek to English , theres actually two really bad reasons here, A)Greek and English Alphabets are different, same as before , b)King James was in fact a KING , so if you were to write a book that infuriated the king, you would be punished , the king had things specific to the english incorporated into the bible!

 

Danny, is absolutly right about "seeing the whole" religion , all of them , Read the Koran , read the Bible, sanscrits , all that shit, it will be come apparent that there is a being all powerful , and it ain't me, but none of them have it right!

 

God is the benevolent one, do you think he would have us all serve in hell for believing in Christ! Just through different means of attaining his teachings (different means is regarding all the religions of the world) !

 

Get real!

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