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Because the operators can't afford the fuel to deliver the goods..............

 

First it'll be no fuel where we buy ours at the convenience stores, cause trucks deliver the fuel.............

 

Then it'll be the stores will be out of bread and milk, the commodoties that are delivered daily, because trucks deliver it............

 

Then it'll be the produce, the stuff that will last several days, because ditto.............

 

Then it'll be the staples, then the canned goods, then the frozen foods, that is if the electricity is from hydro or coal fired plants, that is if the coal fired plants are stocked up to last because the diesel-electric locomotives hauling the coal will be shut down too...............

 

We are losing 2500 independent truckers a week to the fuel prices............

 

How long before hungry folks are roaming the streets looking for food..................

 

Our government is selling diesel to the Iraqi's for a nickel a gallon................

 

Someone 'splain that to me in terms I can understand..................

 

I saw a sticker on an suv from Texas the other day, it said "1-20-09, end of an era". Since that is the day berfore a new president will be inaugurated, I took it to mean the end of the dubya era. All I could think was, Good Fuckin' Riddance.....................

 

That ignorant bastard was on tv about three weeks ago pooh-poohing the idea that fuel was ever going to get to $4. Fuck that. I paid that this morning. $114 to fill up my truck and it waddn't empty.

 

Someone tell me it's all gonna be okay...........................

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I saw a sticker on an suv from Texas the other day, it said "1-20-09, end of an era". Since that is the day berfore a new president will be inaugurated, I took it to mean the end of the dubya era. All I could think was, Good Fuckin' Riddance.....................

 

 

Amen brother.

 

 

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I think the truckers are gonna make everybody wake up and I support them.

 

Bush Sr. sold us a bill of goods with NAFTA, then Clinton signed it, and now Bush Jr. wants to turn America, Mexico and Canada into a North American Union. All three of these con-artist should be put on trial for treason.

 

Ever wonder why our borders still remain unchecked, even after 911?

Ever wonder why the US Government prosecuted two Border agents so rigorously?

Ever wonder why NAFTA was passed?

Ever wonder why the Texas Department of Transportation (TxDOT) is doing everything they can to build the Trans-Texas Corridor?

Ever wonder why not once, but twice, Kennedy-McCain-Bush tried unsuccessfully to grant amnesty to illegal aliens recently?

Ever wonder why so many jobs left the US and went overseas?

 

 

It's all in the .pdf file at

http://www.thenewamerican.com/currentissue

 

click on "Merger in the Making" issue, third from top left called FREE PDF OF NAU ISSUE.

 

It's a very long read but well worth it.

 

Tell me politicans are to be trusted. Thank God a select VERY few of them don't want this to happen.

 

God bless America and the Minuteman Project.

 

Land of the free. (because citizens fought for it and remained vigilant against tyranny and treason)

 

Hang the Bush and Clinton family's out on the highest tree.

 

Do not let the SPP ruin America. Read the .pdf. You'll learn what the SPP is, and who Bush Jr. REALLY is. :angry2:

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we are in some deep trouble for sure. the bible reads that times will get so bad that people will try and commit suicide and be unable to do so. now that is some rough times, and i believe more and more people are beginning to see this just could be a possibility after all.

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lets say for arguement that the yeild of one gallon oil is one gallon gasoline. 50 dollars per barrel/50 gallons. gas is 1$. now barrel of oil 100$ gas is 4$ per gallon. is that because itcosts more to refine the same amount of gasoline? or is it just a scam of big oil toget more from the customer. im thinking that at 150$ per barrel gas should ony get to be about 3$ so do i have the math wrong?

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lets say for arguement that the yeild of one gallon oil is one gallon gasoline. 50 dollars per barrel/50 gallons. gas is 1$. now barrel of oil 100$ gas is 4$ per gallon. is that because itcosts more to refine the same amount of gasoline? or is it just a scam of big oil toget more from the customer. im thinking that at 150$ per barrel gas should ony get to be about 3$ so do i have the math wrong?

 

You might want to refigure your math using the standard barrel of oil which is 42 gallons, from which the standard yield of gasoline is about 19.5 gallons. But then read this copy and paste. Also it's a little out dated.

 

 

One barrel of crude oil makes about 19½ gallons of gasoline, 9 gallons of fuel oil, 4 gallons of jet fuel, and 11 gallons of other products, including lubricants, kerosene, asphalt, and petrochemical feedstocks to make plastics. More, plus a graphic. The ultimate cost of a gallon of gas at the service station depends mostly on the price of crude oil, and most of the profit after expenses goes to the owner-producers of the oil, whether they are governments or oil producing companies. The following table shows an approximate breakdown of the costs that go into a gallon of gas in the US. Almost everywhere in the world outside the US, people pay MUCH more for gasoline, largely because of much larger government taxes, which amount to around $3 to $4 per gallon in many European countries (and which support government-subsidized health care and other programs). Graphic comparison. Naturally, all the values in the table below vary from place to place; these are general estimates. "Producer" generally means the country that owns the oil - companies like Exxon and Shell and Conoco must purchase much of the oil they refine and market, more or less at the going price of crude on the world market. Long-term contracts may reduce their cost by a bit, but when the price of oil is $60, Exxon is probably buying such oil from Saudi Arabia for something like $58 or more.

"Production cost" includes a world-wide average of US $7.35 per barrel in finding costs, $3.57 per barrel in lifting cost (what it takes to operate a producing well), and $1.00 in production taxes per barrel. 2003 numbers from EIA. It is difficult to find separate figures for refining cost and profit, and the other cost/profit breakdowns, so the numbers are guesses but the totals for each category reflect percentages determined by the EIA (percentages for previous years shown in the graphic from EIA - I based the numbers in the table on $2.70 a gallon and percentages based on the most recent information I could find - 18% refining, 16% distribution, marketing, and retailing). If anyone has a good breakdown of transportation, marketing, and retailing costs and profits, or other data sources, please let me know. See also the EIA Primer on Gasoline Prices and this article and this GAO report and This One and another. And Gas Q&A. • See also Who sets the price of oil

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:banghead: It is time to make some tough choices. They need to find a way to convert to a replenishable fuel. The amount of gasoline that is wasted in this country and the rest of the world would boggle our mind. Oil is not a replenshable resource. It IS going to run out and we had best get ready. :Beer-Chug[1]:

 

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I was told at one time that when you see the price of crude oil is is not reflective of current gas prices. I was told that it takes about 18 months of refining to make crude oil into a usable fuel. That means, we're paying for $4 gas on what was... about $80 /barrel oil, if I was told true. Think about that for a minute.

 

Ride safe,

Vagabond

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:banghead: It is time to make some tough choices. They need to find a way to convert to a replenishable fuel. The amount of gasoline that is wasted in this country and the rest of the world would boggle our mind. Oil is not a replenshable resource. It IS going to run out and we had best get ready. :Beer-Chug[1]:

 

IndianLan

 

Why is oil not a replenishable resource? Is the world going to stop? If so we have much bigger issues.

 

Bitch about your state governments if your going to bitch about Bush and Clinton.

 

What we pay in gas tax in CT. is retarded and the infrastructer has not improved one iotta. On top of that we have the largest casinos in the country from which the state gets a retarded amount of money, yet they keep adding more tax to the price of gas.

 

The narrow mindedness on this board concerning the fed and their control of gas prices is sometimes amazing.

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The trucks won't be parked. The cost will just be passed on to us, the consumer. We are all guilty of paying for what we want. It's supply and demand. Gas is big bucks because that's what the market will bear.

 

I don't agree with President Bush much, but he was right about one thing. He recently said that the federal government will not be sponsoring any new alternative energy programs. His position was that when the price of gasoline rises enough, it will become economically prudent for the private sector to start developing new approaches to energizing transportation. At the time he said this, must be a year or 2 ago. gas was less than $3 per gallon.

 

His position was that when gasoline hits $5 or $6 or $7 per gallon, it will spur development of new technology. I'm afraid he's right. Let's face it, we are all going to pay $4 per gallon - were doing it now. Were not going to stop driving. The system is working fine at $4 a gallon.

 

:):):) Happy faces all around for the oil industry and thier investors. A few guys at work have thier 401K heavily invested in the oil industry. They have been making a killing over the last few years. They may be paying more at the pump but thier investments keep on doing very well to make up for it. I hate those guys, but really, I'm just jealous.

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Why is oil not a replenishable resource? Is the world going to stop? If so we have much bigger issues.

 

Bitch about your state governments if your going to bitch about Bush and Clinton.

 

What we pay in gas tax in CT. is retarded and the infrastructer has not improved one iotta. On top of that we have the largest casinos in the country from which the state gets a retarded amount of money, yet they keep adding more tax to the price of gas.

 

The narrow mindedness on this board concerning the fed and their control of gas prices is sometimes amazing.

 

open rant//

 

Amen! Much more of this and I'm gonna have to get my tin foil beanie! All the conspiracy crap is just that... crap.

//end rant

 

--Hal

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Just think of this? What if Americans just stayed home 2 weekends a month. Only driving for emergency purposes. Or....budget their miles to be efficient as hell. No extras, ration themselves to the max. Lets say fuel usage went down 10% in this country? Oil prices would have to drop..It is a consumer driven price index, the more demand the more money, the less demand etc,etc. The only true way to revolt, is to boycott the stuff as much as possible. We send GW and his oil buddies the hard message, with our dollars. Or lack of them.....

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In "Black Gold Stranglehold," Corsi and Smith expose the fraudulent science and irresponsible politics that have been sold to American people in order to enslave them. By debunking several myths, Corsi and Smith provide an outline for progress that would help to establish America as energy-independent.

 

Be prepared to be challenged by:

 

The myth of fossil fuels: Corsi and Smith argue that the deep abiotic theory of oil is a more reliable theory than the fossil fuel theory. It rejects the contention that oil was formed from the remains of plant and animal life that died millions of years ago. Instead, they believe in Thomas Gold's argument that oil is abiotic: "a primordial material that the earth forms and exudes on a continual basis" and is "pushed upward toward the earth's surface by the intense pressures of the earth's core and the influence of the centrifugal force that the earth exerted upon the specific gravity of oil as a fluid substance."

The running-out-of-oil myth: The 1970s scientific study known as Hubbert's Peak, predicting we would exhaust oil reserves by 2003, has been proven false. We are currently sitting on "more proven petroleum reserves than ever before despite the increasing rate at which we are consuming petroleum products. New and gigantic oil fields are being discovered at an increasing rate, in places the fossil fuel theory would never have been predicted as possible.

 

The global warming hoax and other environmental myths: Corsi and Smith present compelling evidence that "burning fossil fuels does not release into the air chlorofluorocarbons or halon compounds, the types of chemicals identified as the culprits causing holes in the ozone." Instead, "human beings breathe in oxygen and exhale carbon dioxide" while "plants absorb carbon dioxide and throw out oxygen."

 

The folly of oil conservation: "Black Gold Stranglehold" presents and documents how no alternative energy option has been able to provide enough energy and how each alternative has been deemed uneconomical.

 

Oil playing a part in the illegal-immigration problem: Mexico has the third largest proven reservoirs of crude oil in the Western Hemisphere behind Venezuela and the U.S. As a result, the United States imports virtually all the oil Mexico exports. Consequently, "the U.S. government finds it difficult to take a systematic, hard look at the nearly free flow of illegal immigrants coming across our southern border. As a hedge against instability in the Middle East, the U.S. government has to calculate our oil needs when considering any steps we take regarding Mexico or illegal immigrants.

 

The value of the dollar and its effect on terrorism: "In recent years the buying power of the dollar has decreased 40 percent on the average against all major foreign currencies. Since dollars can no longer be exchanged for gold, no hard, fixed commodity stands behind the U.S. international payments, including oil purchases. Osama bin Laden's "war against America was fueled by his belief that the U.S. has stolen the oil of Muslim countries. At the core of the issue is bin Laden's perception that America has paid for oil, a hard commodity, with paper dollars that are no longer backed as they once were by the hard commodity of gold."

 

How high the price of oil?: "Today, the U.S. oil industry is sitting on a quantity of oil reserves that has never been higher. Still, we have built no new refineries, and the refineries in operation are producing at or near capacity. The picture that emerges is one of industry conglomerates simply sitting on large reserves and waiting for oil prices to go even higher. At some point, increased gasoline prices become an inevitable drag on the economy."

 

Terrorism and Its Threat to Oil: Terrorists are "willing to bet that the U.S. will not be able to afford politically or economically a protracted global war against radical Islamic terrorism. Terrorists, like governments determined to impose price controls on oil, act to disrupt free markets. In doing so, they clearly understand the economic harm they can inflict."

 

Corsi and Smith believe that America can and will become energy independent if some steps are taken to correct the aforementioned problems. In addition, they not only meticulously lay out the problems facing American oil interests, but have developed a seven-step action toward U.S. Oil Independence by:

 

Promoting scientific research to investigate alternative theories.

 

Expediting leases offshore and in Alaska to encourage oil exploration.

 

Providing tax credits for deep-drilling oil exploration.

 

Creating an oil research institute to serve as a clearinghouse of oil industry information.

 

Developing a public broadcasting television series devoted to the oil industry.

 

Reestablishing a gold-backed international trade dollar.

 

Establishing tax incentives for opening new refineries in the U.S.

 

 

In the end, "Black Gold Stranglehold" not only provides solutions, but it will empower consumers and oil industry professionals to drastically change the debate about oil. This book is sure to cause thoughtful people to reconsider the U.S. dependence on foreign oil and its effects on our economy.

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A bunch of the independents will be parked and or repopped. I thought there were more indies running than just over 300,000. The way the system works will be hard for the mom & pops and the individuals to pass on the costs. Too many depend upon load brokers that keep too much of the rates for their brokerage fees, and the operators pay for the fuel daily, and don't get paid for weeks or up to a month, unless they factor their invoices at about 5%. Talk about cash flow problems at $1200 per fill up about every day and a half.

 

So that means the big companies will survive and take up the slack and raise prices, which we will end up paying.

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If you wanna start blaming the presidents, then you better start with Wilson, whom signed the central bank into power.

 

And it's not the oil companies.. it's the international banking cartels whom are behind the drive to the one world order. Don't drink the Kool aid yet, there are some advantages.

 

AS for oil being 'depleted', there is a TRILLION GALLON reserve under the rocky mountains, decreed an 'emergency' reserve by Rosevelt. The largest reserve of oil in the world is under GULL ISLAND off the coast of Alaska.

 

as for the North American trade union, Bush signed it into being in '05.

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here in michigan,...most building has STOPPED.......& the price of fuel is about $.50 higher in the NORTH than dwn twords DETROIT...most folk can't afford to go to the store...n are forming co ops....car pools ,...etc. the AMERICAN auto industry has basicly stopped production....gas/oil wells are everywhere here in Mi,...yet they are ALL capped,...waiting for price$ to hit a set price....WE'll make it....BUT, I predict alot of gardens this year,... :Rulz[1]: atleast we have WATER....... :babyhaha:

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we are in some deep trouble for sure. the bible reads that times will get so bad that people will try and commit suicide and be unable to do so. now that is some rough times, and i believe more and more people are beginning to see this just could be a possibility after all.

The Meek shall inherit the Earth! Hey Mo! If people lived day to day from a thankful perspective things would not seem so gloomy to them . One thing for sure the Government was elected from different types of people with different moral values. Unfortunately most peeps are driven by money. B)

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Very good article on the History.

 

World oil

 

Wonder who that guy is that wrote that and what he's doing in London AR. He may be at Arkansas Tech Univ. Not exactly what I had noted as one of the oil or economic centers of the universe. Not too far from me here.

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I have to wonder,,,,if US truckers strike, what will happen if the strike goes on for a long time? Guess what country has truckers foaming at the mouth to start driving across Americas highways? Been listening to the news lately?

 

I hear another big "SUCKING SOUND" on the horizon.

 

 

as for the North American trade union, Bush signed it into being in '05.

 

Yeah,,,it's called the "Security and Prosperity Partnership",,,,(SPP),,,

 

I don't think this is rubbish or a hoax conspiracy one bit. These are a couple of facts that are in the .pdf I mentioned:

 

"launched in 2005 by President Bush, then-Mexican President Vicente Fox, and then-Canadian Prime Minister Paul Martin. The godfather of the SPP, Professor Robert Pastor, gave testimony before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee in 2005 in which he asserted, “The best way to secure the United States is not at our borders with Mexico and Canada but at the borders of North America as a whole.” This goal, he said, “we hope to accomplish by 2010.” "

 

Some of you may think I'm off topic with my statements but,,,I'm not. It's all tied together.

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There you go Last Resort. Had to open up that can of worms didn't ya?

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