Last Resort Posted November 8, 2007 Share Posted November 8, 2007 By John Coleman It is the greatest scam in history. I am amazed, appalled and highly offended by it. Global Warming; It is a SCAM. Some dastardly scientists with environmental and political motives manipulated long term scientific data to create an allusion of rapid global warming. Other scientists of the same environmental whacko type jumped into the circle to support and broaden the "research" to further enhance the totally slanted, bogus global warming claims. Their friends in government steered huge research grants their way to keep the movement going. Soon they claimed to be a consensus. Environmental extremists, notable politicians among them, then teamed up with movie, media and other liberal, environmentalist journalists to create this wild "scientific" scenario of the civilization threatening environmental consequences from Global Warming unless we adhere to their radical agenda. Now their ridiculous manipulated science has been accepted as fact and become a cornerstone issue for CNN, CBS, NBC, the Democratic Political Party, the Governor of California, school teachers and, in many cases, well informed but very gullible environmentally conscientious citizens. Only one reporter at ABC has been allowed to counter the Global Warming frenzy with one 15 minute documentary segment. I do not oppose environmentalism. I do not oppose the political positions of either party. However, Global Warming, i.e. Climate Change, is not about environmentalism or politics. It is not a religion. It is not something you "believe in." It is science; the science of meteorology. This is my field of life-long expertise. And I am telling you Global Warming is a non-event, a manufactured crisis and a total scam. I say this knowing you probably won't believe a me, a mere TV weatherman, challenging a Nobel Prize, Academy Award and Emmy Award winning former Vice President of United States. So be it. I have read dozens of scientific papers. I have talked with numerous scientists. I have studied. I have thought about it. I know I am correct. There is no run away climate change. The impact of humans on climate is not catastrophic. Our planet is not in peril. I am incensed by the incredible media glamour, the politically correct silliness and rude dismissal of counter arguments by the high priest of Global Warming. In time, a decade or two, the outrageous scam will be obvious. As the temperature rises, polar ice cap melting, coastal flooding and super storm pattern all fail to occur as predicted everyone will come to realize we have been duped. The sky is not falling. And, natural cycles and drifts in climate are as much if not more responsible for any climate changes underway. I strongly believe that the next twenty years are equally as likely to see a cooling trend as they are to see a warming trend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homer Posted November 8, 2007 Share Posted November 8, 2007 hmm...goes against most of the weather channel daily dialogue.... sorta... they do differentiate the ozone hole from global warming.... never read enuff about any of it or saw any movies/documentaries to form an honest opinion myself.. i think there is probably something there--not sure of the extent. i just think it funny that it's so politicized... and if it were rush limburger who had come out with it the left would be doing the same thing the right is...doesn't matter what the true truth is.... but what do i care..i'll be dead or too old to care if bad stuff happens neway.. eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pop Posted November 8, 2007 Share Posted November 8, 2007 I'll tell ya what. Coleman is a local weatherman for SanDiego tv. If bein paid to do the weather in San Diego ain't a scam, I'll be damned if I know what is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thornbury Posted November 8, 2007 Share Posted November 8, 2007 I'll tell ya what. Coleman is a local weatherman for SanDiego tv. If bein paid to do the weather in San Diego ain't a scam, I'll be damned if I know what is. Well hey, this gets him attention, doesn't it? I've got friends at NASA that have worked on missions to observe changes in the atmosphere. The ozone depletion and global warming is real. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Last Resort Posted November 8, 2007 Author Share Posted November 8, 2007 If bein paid to do the weather in San Diego ain't a scam, I'll be damned if I know what is. Ain't that the truth!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badndn Posted November 8, 2007 Share Posted November 8, 2007 global warming my ass. it is global DRYING here. we need rain BAD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
porkchop Posted November 8, 2007 Share Posted November 8, 2007 THE HEARTLAND INSTITUTE 19 South LaSalle Street #903 Chicago, IL 60603 phone 312/377-4000 · fax 312/377-5000 http://www.heartland.org Eight Reasons Why ‘Global Warming’ Is a Scam Author: Joseph L. Bast Published by: The Heartland Institute Published in: Heartlander Publication date: February 2003 When Al Gore lost his bid to become the country’s first “Environment President,” many of us thought the “global warming” scare would finally come to a well-deserved end. That hasn’t happened, despite eight good reasons this scam should finally be put to rest. It’s B-a-a-ck! Similar scares orchestrated by radical environmentalists in the past--such as Alar, global cooling, the “population bomb,” and electromagnetic fields--were eventually debunked by scientists and no longer appear in the speeches or platforms of public officials. The New York Times recently endorsed more widespread use of DDT to combat malaria, proving Rachel Carson’s anti-pesticide gospel is no longer sacrosanct even with the liberal elite. The scientific case against catastrophic global warming is at least as strong as the case for DDT, but the global warming scare hasn’t gone away. President Bush is waffling on the issue, rightly opposing the Kyoto Protocol and focusing on research and voluntary projects, but wrongly allowing his administration to support calls for creating “transferrable emission credits” for greenhouse gas reductions. Such credits would build political and economic support for a Kyoto-like cap on greenhouse gas emissions. At the state level, some 23 states have already adopted caps on greenhouse gas emissions or goals for replacing fossil fuels with alternative energy sources. These efforts are doomed to be costly failures, as a new Heartland Policy Study by Dr. Jay Lehr and James Taylor documents. Instead of concentrating on balancing state budgets, some legislators will be working to pass their own “mini-Kyotos.” Eight Reasons to End the Scam Concern over “global warming” is overblown and misdirected. What follows are eight reasons why we should pull the plug on this scam before it destroys billions of dollars of wealth and millions of jobs. 1. Most scientists do not believe human activities threaten to disrupt the Earth’s climate. More than 17,000 scientists have signed a petition circulated by the Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine saying, in part, “there is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gases is causing or will, in the foreseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth’s atmosphere and disruption of the Earth’s climate.” (Go to www.oism.org for the complete petition and names of signers.) Surveys of climatologists show similar skepticism. 2. Our most reliable sources of temperature data show no global warming trend. Satellite readings of temperatures in the lower troposphere (an area scientists predict would immediately reflect any global warming) show no warming since readings began 23 years ago. These readings are accurate to within 0.01ºC, and are consistent with data from weather balloons. Only land-based temperature stations show a warming trend, and these stations do not cover the entire globe, are often contaminated by heat generated by nearby urban development, and are subject to human error. 3. Global climate computer models are too crude to predict future climate changes. All predictions of global warming are based on computer models, not historical data. In order to get their models to produce predictions that are close to their designers’ expectations, modelers resort to “flux adjustments” that can be 25 times larger than the effect of doubling carbon dioxide concentrations, the supposed trigger for global warming. Richard A. Kerr, a writer for Science, says “climate modelers have been ‘cheating’ for so long it’s almost become respectable.” 4. The IPCC did not prove that human activities are causing global warming. Alarmists frequently quote the executive summaries of reports from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), a United Nations organization, to support their predictions. But here is what the IPCC’s latest report, Climate Change 2001, actually says about predicting the future climate: “The Earth’s atmosphere-ocean dynamics is chaotic: its evolution is sensitive to small perturbations in initial conditions. This sensitivity limits our ability to predict the detailed evolution of weather; inevitable errors and uncertainties in the starting conditions of a weather forecast amplify through the forecast. As well as uncertainty in initial conditions, such predictions are also degraded by errors and uncertainties in our ability to represent accurately the significant climate processes.” 5. A modest amount of global warming, should it occur, would be beneficial to the natural world and to human civilization. Temperatures during the Medieval Warm Period (roughly 800 to 1200 AD), which allowed the Vikings to settle presently inhospitable Greenland, were higher than even the worst-case scenario reported by the IPCC. The period from about 5000-3000 BC, known as the “climatic optimum,” was even warmer and marked “a time when mankind began to build its first civilizations,” observe James Plummer and Frances B. Smith in a study for Consumer Alert. “There is good reason to believe that a warmer climate would have a similar effect on the health and welfare of our own far more advanced and adaptable civilization today.” 6. Efforts to quickly reduce human greenhouse gas emissions would be costly and would not stop Earth’s climate from changing. Reducing U.S. carbon dioxide emissions to 7 percent below 1990’s levels by the year 2012--the target set by the Kyoto Protocol--would require higher energy taxes and regulations causing the nation to lose 2.4 million jobs and $300 billion in annual economic output. Average household income nationwide would fall by $2,700, and state tax revenues would decline by $93.1 billion due to less taxable earned income and sales, and lower property values. Full implementation of the Kyoto Protocol by all participating nations would reduce global temperature in the year 2100 by a mere 0.14 degrees Celsius. 7. Efforts by state governments to reduce greenhouse gas emissions are even more expensive and threaten to bust state budgets. After raising their spending with reckless abandon during the 1990s, states now face a cumulative projected deficit of more than $90 billion. Incredibly, most states nevertheless persist in backing unnecessary and expensive greenhouse gas reduction programs. New Jersey, for example, collects $358 million a year in utility taxes to fund greenhouse gas reduction programs. Such programs will have no impact on global greenhouse gas emissions. All they do is destroy jobs and waste money. 8. The best strategy to pursue is “no regrets.” The alternative to demands for immediate action to “stop global warming” is not to do nothing. The best strategy is to invest in atmospheric research now and in reducing emissions sometime in the future if the science becomes more compelling. In the meantime, investments should be made to reduce emissions only when such investments make economic sense in their own right. This strategy is called “no regrets,” and it is roughly what the Bush administration has been doing. The U.S. spends more on global warming research each year than the entire rest of the world combined, and American businesses are leading the way in demonstrating new technologies for reducing and sequestering greenhouse gas emissions. Time for Common Sense The global warming scare has enabled environmental advocacy groups to raise billions of dollars in contributions and government grants. It has given politicians (from Al Gore down) opportunities to pose as prophets of doom and slayers of evil corporations. And it has given bureaucrats at all levels of government, from the United Nations to city councils, powers that threaten our jobs and individual liberty. It is time for common sense to return to the debate over protecting the environment. An excellent first step would be to end the “global warming” scam. Joseph L. Bast is president of The Heartland Institute. An Inconvient truth Scientists Debunk Gore... Utube. Click Here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thornbury Posted November 8, 2007 Share Posted November 8, 2007 The fact of the matter is that the scientists themselves can't agree. http://www.globalwarming.org/primer/scienceFAQs My friends see one picture, you see another. I'm not a scientist, so I can't even begin to debate it. I'm just here for the motorcycles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maninbox Posted November 8, 2007 Share Posted November 8, 2007 Good point, though. There are a great many credible arguments on both sides of the fence. I have recently visited some glaciers in Montana and Alberta. Main thing in common, glaciers that have been in place since the last ice age are rapidly disappearing. The visitors center at the Columbia Ice Fields was built in 1949 (if memory serves) at the foot of the ice field. Now the ice field is 1 1/2 miles away and rapidly receding. Jackson Glacier in Glacier National Park in Montana is nearly gone now, was huge 50 years ago. Before and after pics are dramatic. Too bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
porkchop Posted November 8, 2007 Share Posted November 8, 2007 Good point, though. There are a great many credible arguments on both sides of the fence. I have recently visited some glaciers in Montana and Alberta. Main thing in common, glaciers that have been in place since the last ice age are rapidly disappearing. The visitors center at the Columbia Ice Fields was built in 1949 (if memory serves) at the foot of the ice field. Now the ice field is 1 1/2 miles away and rapidly receding. Jackson Glacier in Glacier National Park in Montana is nearly gone now, was huge 50 years ago. Before and after pics are dramatic. Too bad. Polar Ice caps on Mars are receding too. I just watched Ice Age 2 Meltdown. I am glad there was a warming trend. Or I'd be skating on Lake Michigan instead of swimming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesky1 Posted November 8, 2007 Share Posted November 8, 2007 I don't think the question is so much if we are experiencing global warming, the real debate is what is causing it - I think Gore and those like him a pushing the man made side for $$$ and power. The earth has alwasys experienced cyclical changes, we are just a a warming trend right now (as is Mars, where I don't think Gores enormous carbon footprint is having any impact) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maninbox Posted November 8, 2007 Share Posted November 8, 2007 Carbon footprints are bad news, man. Had a hell of a time getting 'em off the carpet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tahoe Chief Posted November 8, 2007 Share Posted November 8, 2007 Carbon footprints are bad news, man. Had a hell of a time getting 'em off the carpet. been out in the garage walking around The Indian again then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brock Posted November 8, 2007 Share Posted November 8, 2007 (edited) yeah ozone depletion is real but then again is fluctuates through history like everything else based on carbondioxide levels not the temperature of the earth.... and everyone knows the earth warms and cools over thousands of years...and that volcanic activity causes more CO2 emissions than all the cars in America..... the point that is unscientific is that humans are causing it to deviate from what it normally would be doing.....and that America is the biggest impact on world climate. give me a fucking break Edited November 8, 2007 by Brock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indian T Posted November 8, 2007 Share Posted November 8, 2007 yeah ozone depletion is real but then again is fluctuates through history like everything else based on carbondioxide levels not the temperature of the earth.... and everyone knows the earth warms and cools over thousands of years...and that volcanic activity causes more CO2 emissions than all the cars in America..... the point that is unscientific is that humans are causing it to deviate from what it normally would be doing.....and that America is the biggest impact on world climate. give me a fucking break Yep...and what makes the global warming crowd think that the average temps of say, 1980 or 1973 or 1992, are the ideal temperatures that the earth should be at. How the fuck do they know what the earth's ideal temperature is supposed to be (over geologic time). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aikenscout Posted November 8, 2007 Share Posted November 8, 2007 follow the money................ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RCH Posted November 9, 2007 Share Posted November 9, 2007 follow the money................ If everyone sends me $3000 a year, I will end global warming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Mark Posted November 9, 2007 Share Posted November 9, 2007 (edited) Interesting facts: One, the opinion piece by the weatherman is just that. Opinion. He cites no facts in his rant. Two, the "Heartland Institute" is a mouthpiece of, and funded by, ExxonMobil. ExxonMobil has been repeatedly outed as a prime mover in the global warming disinformation campaign. Three. Many of the items in the "Heartland Institute" manifesto are out and out disinformation, to wit: 1. The notorious 'Oregon' petition is fake. There are no '17,000 scientists' on the petition. They let anyone a doctorate in ANYTHING sign it. There are 3000 Ph.D. English professors on it. 2. Flat out lie. NASA has noted a steady climb in temperatures. since they began measuring temps. 3. "Global climate computer models are too crude to predict future climate changes." Not according to most REAL weather and climate experts. All you need is a supercomputer. Just because they can't do it on a laptop, don't mean you can't do it. And a whole bunch of credible people including NASA and NOAA HAVE done it. 4. "The IPCC did not prove that human activities are causing global warming." Prove? Well what they said was this: 'It is very likely that [man-made] greenhouse gas increases caused most of the average temperature increases since the mid-20th century,' 5. "A modest amount of global warming, should it occur, would be beneficial to the natural world and to human civilization." Opinion, not supported by any sort of facts. "Global warming is GOOD!!!" 6. "Efforts to quickly reduce human greenhouse gas emissions would be costly and would not stop Earth’s climate from changing." Expensive to who? The energy, oil and gas companies, certainly. 7. "Efforts by state governments to reduce greenhouse gas emissions are even more expensive and threaten to bust state budgets." Certainly, it's expensive. But when have the state governments been shy about passing that cost along? They (the global warming deniers) don't really care, they are just using this as economic blackmail. "Don't listen to them! It'll COST you!" AND...MY favorite... 8. "The best strategy to pursue is 'no regrets'." The best strategy is to invest in ... reducing emissions sometime in the future if the science becomes more compelling." When the science is MORE COMPELLING??? A quote from the IPCC report: "the frequency of devastating storms will increase dramatically. Sea levels will rise over the century by around half a metre; snow will disappear from all but the highest mountains; deserts will spread; oceans become acidic, leading to the destruction of coral reefs and atolls; and deadly heatwaves will become more prevalent. The impact will be catastrophic, forcing hundreds of millions of people to flee their devastated homelands, particularly in tropical, low-lying areas, while creating waves of immigrants whose movements will strain the economies of even the most affluent countries." I'm not a treehugger, but unfortunately, whether you, me or that Coleman clown like it, global warming is very real. yeah ozone depletion is real but then again is fluctuates through history like everything else based on carbondioxide levels not the temperature of the earth.... and everyone knows the earth warms and cools over thousands of years...and that volcanic activity causes more CO2 emissions than all the cars in America..... the point that is unscientific is that humans are causing it to deviate from what it normally would be doing.....and that America is the biggest impact on world climate. give me a fucking break But the truth is, humans ARE causing it. Every year since 1917, the overall global temperature has accelerated upward. The rise in CO2 is not only due to auto emissions, but to the HUGE increase in human population. The curve exactly mirrors the rise in global population. Us, and (to a lesser extent) cars, cause more CO2 emissions per day than any volcanic eruption in history. The largest offender, by FAR and away, is NOT the U.S.A., or even western civilization in general, but China. If every damn one of us started driving hybrids, electric cars, or even riding damn bicycles, it wouldn't mean shit, while the Chinese pump millions of tons of CO2 and pollutants from their factories and their billions of people into the atmosphere. We don't hold the key to controlling global warming. They do. Yep...and what makes the global warming crowd think that the average temps of say, 1980 or 1973 or 1992, are the ideal temperatures that the earth should be at. How the fuck do they know what the earth's ideal temperature is supposed to be (over geologic time). Science. Specifically, Physical chemistry and Thermodynamics, coupled with the geologic record. That's how we know about the ice ages, and cyclical climate change in general. Try Googling "Global Warming Denial". The results are far more interesting that just reading about global warming. The concerted, organized effort by China and the oil companies to derail the talk of global warming has become nearly comical, if it weren't so potentially lethal. The bottom line is, though, I think it is GOING to happen, regardless. I think it's already too late. I honest to God think we aren't going to stop it. Our grandkids are going to live in a vastly different world, I think. I also think they, and history, aren't going to remember the last few generations of us none too kindly. -Doc Edited November 9, 2007 by Dr. Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Mark Posted November 9, 2007 Share Posted November 9, 2007 Good thing I ain't opinionated or nuthin', hunh? -Doc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiremanDave Posted November 9, 2007 Share Posted November 9, 2007 The sky is falling... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brock Posted November 9, 2007 Share Posted November 9, 2007 Dr Mark....so when we went from ice age to warm period of temperate climate and then back to mini ice age then back to what we are doing now......exactly which country or form of life was responsible for those VAST temp fluctuations? no cars back then.....a little coal and wood at latter part....but volcanic activity was the primary source of so called green house gases. They are taking a snapshot in time and basing the future on it.....we can do the same thing with periods in past that were warmer than now...and also with cooling trends during 70s. Technology and scientific analysis is as valid now as then only difference is computers...but in 30 years will our computers be extinct with something else in nano tech that has living cells be our COMPUTER and predict that it is now the opposite again. They want to control something that is ruining the earth that IS caused by humans....then crack down on landfills, toxic dumping, using our waterways for toilets by companies, towns and individuals.....fix that problem and our Earth will be much happier. Plus, plants love CO2 so we dont want to get rid of it......we just need to plant our forests back and create more of a use for it. Thereare scientific rebuttals to what is being espoused by Al Gore and the others........THE SKY is not FALLING. It is going up and down as it has for hundreds of thousands of years. But that is my opinion....just like Al Gores....and he is not any smarter or read on the topic than anyone else....he just chose to only read one side of it and make it political. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indian T Posted November 9, 2007 Share Posted November 9, 2007 Good post Dr. Mark. It still doesn't address the question that I have posed to many global warming theorists...what makes anyone think they know the temperature that the earth is trying to achieve? Just because we (as humans) like it to be say, 70 degrees, doesn't mean the earth likes it to be 70 degrees. I believe the earth is going to be whatever temp it wants to be regardless of our sorry asses. I also ask my geologist father-in-law all the time to explain the fact that if the ice age started it warming trend thousands of years ago, why does he think this is not another temperature cycle as seen throughout geologic history. The answers can always be disputed, because they really aren't that definitive. We haven't been here long enough to experience "anything" as far as geologic history goes. We are less than a blip on its radar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
porkchop Posted November 9, 2007 Share Posted November 9, 2007 The Book "a State of Fear" by Michael Crichton is more believable. Than Gores "Inconvienient Truth" It's all about the $$$ made keeping us in a State of Fear as in Global warming. Is it possible that the retreating Ice caps on Mars are due to Global Warming caused by the Sun? Or is it because we sent Viking and Pathfinder there? Dear Government, Will you please save the planet? Thanks, Dependent Citizen Think EXXON and BP are bad. Enron was the world leader in emerging markets. Not just Energy. Here we go again... Carbon Trading: The World's Next Biggest Market The New York Times recently ran an article claiming that "carbon will be the world's biggest commodity market, and it could become the world's biggest market overall." Rest assured, it will be. Currently valued at over $30 billion, the carbon trading market is set to skyrocket to over $1 trillion as the price of carbon becomes more and more valuable. And it's possible to get a piece of this infant industry right now. Early investors can play the burgeoning carbon market by: 1. Investing in carbon credits themselves, or 2. Investing in companies that are making extra cash by reducing their emissions. There's no telling just how lucrative this market will become. Why else would huge companies like GE, DuPont, and Johnson & Johnson be racing to reduce their emissions? It's because of the huge profits that stand to be made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stu Posted November 9, 2007 Share Posted November 9, 2007 I wanted to ride to work this morning...... but it was too damn cold.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furyous Posted November 9, 2007 Share Posted November 9, 2007 (edited) Good thing I ain't opinionated or nuthin', hunh? -Doc Even the global warming leadership doesn't believe in global warming. Al Gore is in the top .01% of individual energy consumers and has a larger "carbon footprint" then 99.9% of the worlds population. In fact I bet he consumes more energy then most small businesses. He could use the Internet (he does claim to have invented it after all) and video conferencing instead of blowing jet exhaust all over the world but he doesn't. He knows it is a farce, he gulps down $7,000+ a month of electricity for his home and he isn't even there most of the time. The funniest thing is he doesn't even claim to buy "carbon offsets". He gets them donated to him. Until the people claiming global warming, start living like they believe it, I am not going to give it a passing glance. To me it seems like he wants to live high off the hog and relieve his guilt by blaming us for something he doesn't even believe in. Anyone have a link to that post comparing Bush's home to Gore's home? I am no Bush fan but you would think Gore's house would at least be energy efficient wouldn't you? Edited November 9, 2007 by Furyous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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