firebird77clone Posted May 30, 2007 Share Posted May 30, 2007 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosie Posted May 30, 2007 Share Posted May 30, 2007 She finally realized that the Left was using her like the tool she was. I hope she finds the peace she is looking for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eraserhead Posted May 30, 2007 Share Posted May 30, 2007 I hope she finds the peace she is looking for. no matter what she's said or done, it's hard to forget she lost a child to the war. I never want to feel that pain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FoosH Posted May 30, 2007 Share Posted May 30, 2007 Lots of folks lose their child to war. Sheehan decided to dishonor not only her own son's death, to the point of pissing off a nation-and her own remaining family... she went ahead to dishonor other losses as well. Fuck Her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hasbin Posted May 30, 2007 Share Posted May 30, 2007 Sorry E-head, I'm with foosh on this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houndrock Posted May 30, 2007 Share Posted May 30, 2007 Lots of folks lose their child to war. Sheehan decided to dishonor not only her own son's death, to the point of pissing off a nation-and her own remaining family... she went ahead to dishonor other losses as well. Fuck Her. Foosh, don't you think that's a bit harsh? She's suffered the worst loss any parent can suffer - and what's worse, she lost him in a war that we don't belong in, in a country we never should've gone after. I don't think that fighting to bring our men and women home does them dishonor. Keeping them there is doing them all a grave dishonor. Personally, I admire her for standing up for what she believes in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FoosH Posted May 30, 2007 Share Posted May 30, 2007 (edited) Foosh, don't you think that's a bit harsh? She's suffered the worst loss any parent can suffer - and what's worse, she lost him in a war that we don't belong in, in a country we never should've gone after. I don't think that fighting to bring our men and women home does them dishonor. Keeping them there is doing them all a grave dishonor. Personally, I admire her for standing up for what she believes in. Y'know Lucy, I found a website that talks about a woman who shares your very views Different time, same bullshit... People are sheep for the most part. Unfortunately, it doesn't take much to confuse sheep. There's no way around the fact that Sheehan brought dishonor to her son's sacrifice. Now I'm not saying he's a hero. Maybe he was. Maybe he wasn't. Getting killed or captured doesn't make anyone a hero. But it is heroic putting your life on the line defending your constitution...even if it is a bullshit war. We absolutely MUST have combat action every 10 years or so to remain a skilled fighting force. Unfortunately GW played cowboy, instead of going in under "humanitarian rights" concerns with which he would have had the full backing of the U.N. I'm saying she used his death to her benefit...to the extent of pissing off and confusing the nation. Bad on her and all like her Edited May 30, 2007 by FoosH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houndrock Posted May 30, 2007 Share Posted May 30, 2007 Y'know Lucy, I found a website that talks about a woman who shares your very views Different time, same bullshit... People are sheep for the most part. Unfortunately, it doesn't take much to confuse sheep. There's no way around the fact that Sheehan brought dishonor to her son's sacrifice. Now I'm not saying he's a hero. Maybe he was. Maybe he wasn't. Getting killed or captured doesn't make anyone a hero. But it is heroic putting your life on the line defending your constitution...even if it is a bullshit war. We absolutely MUST have combat action every 10 years or so to remain a skilled fighting force. Unfortunately GW played cowboy, instead of going in under "humanitarian rights" concerns with which he would have had the full backing of the U.N. I'm saying she used his death to her benefit...to the extent of pissing off and confusing the nation. Bad on her and all like her I agree with the majority of what you've said here. Dunno about the Jane Fonda comparison and I don't know that I share her views. Yeah, I disagree with this war entirely. IMO it was brought about for two reasons: profiteering (which, lets face it, most wars are all about profiteering on one level or another) and some sort of twisted blood feud revenge. I'm not saying that all wars are wrong. Sometimes, war is necessary. And yeah, I know what you're saying about war and the economy. But, imo, this particular war wasn't necessary and now we have a hell of a mess on our hands. Hussein was a bad dude, no doubt about it. BUT, he had an understanding of his people and he knew what it took to maintain order in his nation. They're much worse off now than they were before we went in there. Would UN backing have given it some validity in the eyes of the international community? Without a doubt. I still don't know if that would've been enough to justify over 18,000 soldiers losing limbs and thousands losing their lives. Of course, with UN backing it may have gone differently. As I understand it, Dubya has asked the UN to help out now. Michael and I spent a long time talking with a Marine who had 18 years in and got royally screwed by the military when he was discharged against his will after he had his leg blown to shit (because the Humvee he was riding in had friggin' plastic doors) a month and a half into a two month extension of his tour in Iraq. They wouldn't even allow him to serve out his final 2 years to hit his 20 year retirement in a desk job. He was done a great dishonor. The guys who come back alive have to deal with deplorable conditions and treatment in VA - that's a dishonor too. I don't think she brought dishonor on her son's death by protesting the war in an effort to prevent others from losing their lives. Any benefit she may have gotten by protesting the war (and as you've pointed out already, she's already lost her family and earned the ire of a lot of people in this country so I don't see much of a benefit there) is minimal compared to the benefits that companies like Halliburton have received. So you still having your 4th of July party? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Injun Pete Posted May 30, 2007 Share Posted May 30, 2007 I gotta go with FOOSH...............I don't agree with the war......it's no different than NAM.....a lot of young men and women have died for nothing......but...Sheehan is a disgrace to our country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charger Posted May 30, 2007 Share Posted May 30, 2007 walk a mile in her shoes....then make your comments.......those who make JUDGEMENT,..SHALL BE JUDGED...etc. etc. the GREAT thing about OUR country is THAT"s HER RIGHT!!!! GOOD or BAD, that's what our boyz & Gurls are FIGHTING FOR................IMHO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary2Wheels Posted May 30, 2007 Share Posted May 30, 2007 ....You folks are ALL right.This f'n thing stinks.We're dishonoring our own by not even allowing pictures of their coffins and burials....Patton had it right..'your duty is not to die for your country...it's to get the other poor bastard to die for his country'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Injun Pete Posted May 30, 2007 Share Posted May 30, 2007 walk a mile in her shoes....then make your comments.......those who make JUDGEMENT,..SHALL BE JUDGED...etc. etc.the GREAT thing about OUR country is THAT"s HER RIGHT!!!! GOOD or BAD, that's what our boyz & Gurls are FIGHTING FOR................IMHO I haven't walked in "The Same Shoes" as she has but I lost a brother in NAM fighting someone else's war and protecting HER right to protest.........just as I have the same right to my opinion of her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homer Posted May 30, 2007 Share Posted May 30, 2007 walk a mile in her shoes....then make your comments.......those who make JUDGEMENT,..SHALL BE JUDGED...etc. etc.the GREAT thing about OUR country is THAT"s HER RIGHT!!!! GOOD or BAD, that's what our boyz & Gurls are FIGHTING FOR................IMHO damn....that's what i was gonna say..now i gotta say sumthin else...fukka... sure, i'm anti THIS war at THIS TIME, for these LYING reasons....I think we should get out--sooner or later--it's much too late to just pull out and leave those people hanging...(AGAIN)..and pulling out without an exit strategy is just as bad as going in w/o and exit strategy..imho... but whatever...i've only lost a distant cousin in this war..she lost a son and her husband...can't imagine the pain she lives with each day...not mine to judge her either.. eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosie Posted May 30, 2007 Share Posted May 30, 2007 Eric, IIRC, she didn't lose her husband. He got sick and tired of her moonbattery and left her Chavez-Loving skank ass.... JMO... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Last Resort Posted May 30, 2007 Share Posted May 30, 2007 Her son joined as a volunteer. He joined as an adult under his own free will. He reenlisted knowing that there was a war going on and knowing what it was about. He was a proud American and volunteer warrior. She has been disrespectful of his life, of his memory, ever since. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homer Posted May 30, 2007 Share Posted May 30, 2007 what does iirc mean? eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homer Posted May 30, 2007 Share Posted May 30, 2007 and what's moonbattery? eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosie Posted May 30, 2007 Share Posted May 30, 2007 If I Remember Correctly... Moonbattery: The act of being a moonbat (Elevator don't reach the top floor...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
injun Posted May 30, 2007 Share Posted May 30, 2007 Tired of dancing on her son's grave ? Too bad, so sad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DienCaiDau Posted May 30, 2007 Share Posted May 30, 2007 (edited) I feel very sorry for her family. I feel pity for her. Her son, voluntarily joined the Armed Forces for whatever reason(s) he had. He must have felt some need to support and defend something that he thought needed to be defended. His mother, in my opinion, did an injustice to his memory and his service for his country. He (her son) obviously felt he was doing the right thing. I cannot say what it is like to lose a son or daughter to a war however, I did a bit more than two tours of duty in Vietnam and had seen some very heroic young men die. So I do know how sad and disturbing it can be. When I finally came home, the thought of protesting the war had never, ever crossed my mind. The protesters did nothing but dishonor those who were still fighting, those that had died and those who were being held captive. I feel Cindy Sheehan did dishonor what her son died for.... and that is extremely sad. That's my lousy two cents ... Edited May 30, 2007 by DienCaiDau Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homer Posted May 30, 2007 Share Posted May 30, 2007 (edited) Dien, I for one appreciate all that our soldiers fight, die and live with/thru just because "we" ask them to. your .02, and other veterans' .02 is never lousy in my book... it's ok to disagree and agree to disagree...that's part of what makes this country--screwed up as it is--GREAT! eric Edited May 30, 2007 by homer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOE Posted May 30, 2007 Share Posted May 30, 2007 I feel very sorry for her family. I feel pity for her. Her son, voluntarily joined the Armed Forces for whatever reason(s) he had. He must have felt some need to support and defend something that he thought needed to be defended. His mother, in my opinion, did an injustice to his memory and his service for his country. He (her son) obviously felt he was doing the right thing. I cannot say what it is like to lose a son or daughter to a war however, I did a bit more than two tours of duty in Vietnam and had seen some very heroic young men die. So I do know how sad and disturbing it can be. When I finally came home, the thought of protesting the war had never, ever crossed my mind. The protesters did nothing but dishonor those who were still fighting, those that had died and those who were being held captive. I feel Cindy Sheehan did dishonor what her son died for.... and that is extremely sad. That's my lousy two cents ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XV62 Posted May 30, 2007 Share Posted May 30, 2007 Lots of folks lose their child to war. Sheehan decided to dishonor not only her own son's death, to the point of pissing off a nation-and her own remaining family... she went ahead to dishonor other losses as well. Fuck Her. Your first remark there is so nonchalant and flippant it shows immense disrespect to ANYONE that has ever lost a loved one in a war for freedom. Just because so many have in the past in wars for FREEDOM, doesn't make this one OK. This one is for all the wrong reasons. This action in Iraq doesn't have a GODDAMN fukkin' thing to do with protecting our freedom or constitution, fighting terrorism, finding WMDs or anything else besides increasing the bank accounts of the already filthy fukkin' rich bastards behind Cheney, Rove, Bush and the rest of the carpetbaggin' traitors at 1600 PA Ave. If Bush wanted to do something useful in a imperialistic warmongering mode, why didn't he just go right into Saudi Arabia, and nationalize the oil fields and refineries there in the name of the USA. Because that would not have been in the best interests of the fukkin' oil companies, that's why. It (affordable fuel)would be in the best interests of the constituants here at home though. They're sending our kids off to die for nothing while bending us over the fuel tanks and buttfukkin' us while their profits are growing at quarterly records. The news clips of Bush doin' the deal on Memorial Day at Arlington made me want to puke. The lyin' hypocrite oughta be hung. And don't come back callin' me any of that bleedin' heart liberal bullshit, I'm a lifelong Republican from Texas, and I AM ashamed Dubya has taken up residence there. He AIN'T no Texan. The carpetbagger was born in Connecticut and raised in Maine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houndrock Posted May 30, 2007 Share Posted May 30, 2007 Dien,I for one appreciate all that our soldiers fight, die and live with/thru just because "we" ask them to. your .02, and other veterans' .02 is never lousy in my book... it's ok to disagree and agree to disagree...that's part of what makes this country--screwed up as it is--GREAT! eric Agreed. This country was founded on the principles of dissent and debate. They aren't bad things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FoosH Posted May 30, 2007 Share Posted May 30, 2007 Your first remark there is so nonchalant and flippant it shows immense disrespect to ANYONE that has ever lost a loved one in a war for freedom. Those who know me, would tell you that I'm neither non-chalant...or flippant- at least not when comes to my immense respect for the military. Thanks, BM3 Foshee USS John Young DD973 USN 1988-1992 Desert Storm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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