Guest_ikonboard Posted September 14, 2005 Share Posted September 14, 2005 Breaking news: Judge: Pledge of Allegiance Unconstitutional in Public Schools SAN FRANCISCO - A federal judge in San Francisco has declared it unconstitutional to recite the Pledge of Allegiance in public schools. The judge, ruling in a lawsuit brought by Sacramento atheist Michael Newdow, today ruled that he is bound by precedent of the Ninth U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals. Newdow objected to the words ''under God'' in the pledge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanChief Posted September 14, 2005 Share Posted September 14, 2005 Well, we knew THIS day would come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caronti Posted September 14, 2005 Share Posted September 14, 2005 ANOTHER DAY CLOSER TO GETTING ALL OF OUR RIGHTS TAKEN AWAY...F#%K'IN MORONS...CATFISH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
porkchop Posted September 14, 2005 Share Posted September 14, 2005 Ninth U.S. Circuit Court. Figures. What country do they pledge allegiance to anyway? And who the fuck elected/selected them? Vote em all out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest_ikonboard Posted September 14, 2005 Author Share Posted September 14, 2005 United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit They are appointed by the President. Most were put on there by Carter and Clinton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosie Posted September 14, 2005 Share Posted September 14, 2005 Ninth U.S. Circuit Court. Figures. What country do they pledge allegiance to anyway? And who the fuck elected/selected them? Vote em all out. Circuit court judges are appointed. I don't know if thier life-tima appointees or not. Federal Judges are life-time Appointments.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosie Posted September 14, 2005 Share Posted September 14, 2005 Ninth U.S. Circuit Court. Figures. What country do they pledge allegiance to anyway? And who the fuck elected/selected them? Vote em all out. Circuit court judges are appointed. I don't know if thier life-time appointees or not. Federal Judges are life-time Appointments.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KC Cheef Posted September 14, 2005 Share Posted September 14, 2005 United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit They are appointed by the President. Most were put on there by Carter and Clinton Well that would explain a hell of a lot right there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motorscooter Posted September 14, 2005 Share Posted September 14, 2005 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
porkchop Posted September 14, 2005 Share Posted September 14, 2005 United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit They are appointed by the President. Most were put on there by Carter and Clinton Well then vote out their followers. Al Gore. We did! John Kerry. We did! Ted Kennedy. Oops Hillary Bitch. Diane Feinstein. Chuck Schumer. Joe Biden. Rod Blagovich Nancy Pelosi Jesse Jackson Jr. Al Sharpton. Louis Farrakahn. Daniel Inouye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaytonaSpirit Posted September 14, 2005 Share Posted September 14, 2005 seems to me that the main problem is the two words "under God" back in the "olden days" (pre-historic cavemen days), we said the Pledge of Allegiance every morning, but when the Principal recited the words over the loudspeaker for us to follow along, he didn't include the "under God" part. No one ever objected to the Pledge being said. And I guess I'm going to catch it for this one, but I think they the court is correct, under the strict "separation of church and state" interpretation of the constitution. Before you start ranting and raving in response, ask yourself this... how would you feel if the words "Under Mohammed" were used in place of Under God? or "Under Buddha?" It's not quite as comfortable when you are talking about someone else's God. This is similar to the godless infidels in the U.S. taking prayer out of school. No court has EVER said that students can't pray in school, and I imagine prayer occurs frequently in school, particularly before finals. However, what the court did say is that no one particular religion can FORCE the children of others to pray to their God of choice. FORCED prayer in school to the diety of the political majority is prohibited...but school prayer to the God of an individual's choice still goes on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KC Cheef Posted September 14, 2005 Share Posted September 14, 2005 Well I'd be a mad bastard if the words "under Buddha" or "Under Allah" were tacked on. BUT--this is a country founded under CHRISTIAN morality and principles--Like it or not that's a fact. As for offending a muslim or Buddhist by using the word God? FUCK 'EM!! Another argument would be--we pray to the same God as a Muslim. So if they don't like it--fuck 'em again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KC Cheef Posted September 14, 2005 Share Posted September 14, 2005 how would you feel if the words "Under Mohammed" were used in place of Under God? Muhammed was a prophet--why would you say "One Nation under Muhammed"? That'd be kind of like saying "One Nation under St. John" doesn't work for me at all. Are Libertarians Christian? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paolabob Posted September 14, 2005 Share Posted September 14, 2005 Ok I gotta say this WHAT THE FUCK are you talking about DS? I am so god damn (thats right I said GOD) tired of this bullshit! All these f!@#k heads knew the deal before they imigrated here. In the USA you have the right to follow and practice any religion you want but the bulk of our 'Founding Fathers' were Cathalic or protestant and it all evolved from there. What the hell are you going to do when some dork says that the name Lisa is some sort of derogatory remark aimed at thier religion? You going to change your name to Shimere? Fuck that! I know that my analogy is a bit of a stretch but oh well. If these assholes want to stay here then be American and stop trying to make this country something it can't completely be. Somewhere somebody will get thier panties in a bunch about something and want the whole damn USA declared unfuckinconstitutional. As far as I am concerned the "under God" reference is to a higher power, non-denominational! Now I need to go and take a calm down pill! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaytonaSpirit Posted September 14, 2005 Share Posted September 14, 2005 Well I'd be a mad bastard if the words "under Buddha" or "Under Allah" were tacked on. BUT--this is a country founded under CHRISTIAN morality and principles--Like it or not that's a fact. As for offending a muslim or Buddhist by using the word God? FUCK 'EM!! Another argument would be--we pray to the same God as a Muslim. So if they don't like it--fuck 'em again. Nope it's NOT a fact...The cornerstone of the foundation that THIS country was built on, is FREEDOM OF RELIGION! Which means not only the freedom to worship the God(s) of your choice, in the manner of your choice but also the freedom to NOT have to worship someone else's God of choice. You do remember our forefathers, who came to this country to escape religious persecution? So why do so many nowadays feel it's their God-given right to force their own religious beliefs on everyone else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOE Posted September 14, 2005 Share Posted September 14, 2005 United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit They are appointed by the President. Most were put on there by Carter and Clinton Well that would explain a hell of a lot right there. got that shit right,that damn bush has started another hurricane nowin the carolinas.if we don't hurry and get his lilly white ass out of office he's goin to huff and puff and blow all our asses away,i'm gettin skeered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KC Cheef Posted September 14, 2005 Share Posted September 14, 2005 Nope--change stations. This country was based on CHRISTIAN BELIEFS!!! Period--end of story. Find me a Buddhist or Muslim who signed the Declaration of Independence. Seems to me it was GEORGE Washington who was known as the Father of this country. NOT MUHAMMED Washington. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaytonaSpirit Posted September 14, 2005 Share Posted September 14, 2005 Yup and for some reason, George Washington and others felt so strongly on this matter that they included FREEDOM OF RELIGION into the Bill of Rights! And nowhere did they say that Christianity is the official religion of this new country. Wonder why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fugdbdt Posted September 14, 2005 Share Posted September 14, 2005 It doesn't say "Under CHRISTIAN God" - It just says "Under God". Just another fucking attorney trying to get paid... Thanks, Danny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
injun46 Posted September 14, 2005 Share Posted September 14, 2005 Get out a dollar bill and read the back. Whats it say? That dipshit Newdow is pissed cause he already lost one fight in court over his own kid. Take him out and put a bullet thru his head. He's an atheist. Thats OK. It's a free country. He doesn't want Allah, God, Inglebert Humperdink or whomever being said. But he doesn't have a right to push his ideas onto everyone else. Use a 44. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaytonaSpirit Posted September 14, 2005 Share Posted September 14, 2005 History of the Pledge of Allegiance Looks like the minister who wrote the Pledge of Allegiance was a SOCIALIST!!!! Interesting reading: Francis Bellamy (1855 - 1931), a Baptist minister, wrote the original Pledge in August 1892. He was a Christian Socialist. In his Pledge, he is expressing the ideas of his first cousin, Edward Bellamy, author of the American socialist utopian novels, Looking Backward (1888) and Equality (1897). Francis Bellamy in his sermons and lectures and Edward Bellamy in his novels and articles described in detail how the middle class could create a planned economy with political, social and economic equality for all. The government would run a peace time economy similar to our present military industrial complex. His original Pledge read as follows: 'I pledge allegiance to my Flag and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.' He considered placing the word, 'equality,' in his Pledge, but knew that the state superintendents of education on his committee were against equality for women and African Americans. In 1954, Congress after a campaign by the Knights of Columbus, added the words, 'under God,' to the Pledge. The Pledge was now both a patriotic oath and a public prayer. Bellamy's granddaughter said he also would have resented this second change. He had been pressured into leaving his church in 1891 because of his socialist sermons. In his retirement in Florida, he stopped attending church because he disliked the racial bigotry he found there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest_ikonboard Posted September 14, 2005 Author Share Posted September 14, 2005 Yup and for some reason, George Washington and others felt so strongly on this matter that they included FREEDOM OF RELIGION into the Bill of Rights! And nowhere did they say that Christianity is the official religion of this new country. Wonder why? Sorry, Amendment I Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances. That is the exact wording. The whole "seperation of church and state" is not in any founding documents. I would tell you the origins but lets see if anyone else knows where it came from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest_ikonboard Posted September 14, 2005 Author Share Posted September 14, 2005 Why is it the ACLU never fights for "... prohibiting the free exercise thereof"? part of Amendment I Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaytonaSpirit Posted September 14, 2005 Share Posted September 14, 2005 Why is it the ACLU never fights for "... prohibiting the free exercise thereof"? part of Amendment I I think that covers the collective asses of the Westboro Baptist Church Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaytonaSpirit Posted September 14, 2005 Share Posted September 14, 2005 more pot stirring: How can we "preach" religious tolerance in Iraq and the rest of the middle east, when we ourselves are apparently so intolerant of the religion of others, or the non-religion of others? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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